How Wayne Moore Dominates on the Field & in the Art World?

Wayne: It was good, man.

Clance: Everybody wants to be a monster…

Wayne: Until they see what real monsters do.

Clance: Say it again, man.

Wayne: Everybody wants to be a monster until they see what real monsters do.

Clance: What’s up my man, Wayne Moore. Who are you? Tell everybody who you are, what you do. It’s a pleasure to just sit here and chat with you. I just have to say that first off.

Wayne: I’m having flashbacks. It’s been a journey, man. It’s been a journey and let me just say, my name is Wayne Moore. I’m a Running Back for BC Lions. I’m also a professional artist and I’m here with my father-figure, mentor, close friend, a friend for life, Clance Laylor, man. They already know what it is.

Clance: That means a lot. So what I want to get into is, you know, we’ve been together a long time and through that this long time, you know, we’ve developed a close bond that’s just natural—just energy flowing. And what I really want people to understand is your journey. I’ve been there for the high times. I’ve been there for the low times. Just going back, I’ve shed some tears, you know what I mean? You shed some tears. I just kinda wanna give people an idea of what is like through Wayne Moore’s eyes through your footsteps, to your journey and which is not done. No, you still got more. You know, so far making it to the CFL.

Wayne: I don’t know where to start, how to word it, but-

Clance: Let’s start way back when we met at Halloween, from what? High school?

Wayne: Yeah. High school, was my last year. That was crazy. I was introduced to you by my football coach from West Humber. Cause I was originally at West Humber and I transferred to Richfield. He introduced me to you. He brought you up numerous times and he said you were training PK and I hadn’t met PK in the past. Show me a couple of the YouTube videos when you’re training them then. And then he said, I’m going to try and connect you with him and he just said to him and see if he would want you to be like taking the interns position.

So I came downtown. I was feeling myself. I was feeling myself because in high school at the time I was at the strongest fastest, I was doing good in my sport. I just see the sky was the limit for me. That is the way I viewed it. When I came downtown to meet you, it was just like a reality check. Like everything. You just shook up my world.

Clance: When did you kind of the first experience that reality check?

Wayne: I knew I was coming into something different and it wasn’t nothing that I’ve experienced before, but I was just the way how I carry myself, I always observe and just before I talk or anything. So I came in, I spoke with you and it was like, it was more so… Sidetracked means that if you want to look into the interview process, it wasn’t like that. You didn’t really care about the physical assessment. It was like, I want to know who you are. So I was like, Okay, I respected that. And then you told me what would be required. It was just responsibility off the junk, just like rules, you know what I mean? But rules with morals.

Clance: So just to jump on that point for me characters a big thing, you know. A lot of people throw that word around, but it’s not, it’s your actions. Say what you’re going to do, do what you’re gonna say. It’s just that simple. For me, working with you, being a part of your life, coaching, you’ve always been that person and I’ve always appreciated that. That was a big thing. You’re coming in, strong kid, and we have to work on little things—a lot of little things that you weren’t happy with. Like you’re pretty pissed off about it. What are some of those things you remember?

Wayne: Oh. So I remember coming in. I think I came in the following day to do the physical testing and you asked me my numbers like, it’s your bench, it’s your squad, just to get a range for the testing. So tell you some numbers, some big numbers that I was doing, but it wasn’t to the standard that was expected, like full range, things like that. I wasn’t really taught that way. I was taught, you know, squat to 90 degrees, don’t go lower than that. Just different techniques. So I wasn’t necessarily ever exposed to the way that you train. So when you told me to bench, my bench wasn’t really, and then it ended up being close to what I said it was because we did the fact that. If I never did the fact that before and then it was neutral good. So everything was just different.

Clance: Mid grip.

Wayne: Yeah. Mid grip. Then the mobility test with the overhead squat, I was like that rock and just everything was just off. Then I kept coming back for training, but I wouldn’t touch a bar or if anything, it would be the bar max, but I was squatting a damn dowel, the stick. I was pissed! Every day I was like, “Yo, what is this man? Why am I coming here for?” Because I knew I could do more than this.

Clance: Right. Right. You don’t feel like you’re working.

Wayne: Yeah. I don’t feel like I’m working or I feel like you don’t see what I’m capable of. I just felt like I’m being tested and I didn’t like it. I didn’t like it. At the time, especially where I wasn’t in my life, I didn’t really take stuff. You know what I mean? I’m like, I didn’t really know you either. Somebody, “Yo. Why is this guy telling me like, yo, I can do more than this. What are you testing me for?” Or when you’re like pulling me back? Looking at it now, I will never change it. I will never ever change it. All of it was necessary. I appreciate all of it. It played a lot more of a role in my life than just the gym. The gym aspect. It’s just discipline. Day-to-day discipline in all aspects of your life and I’m good for all of it, man.

Clance: Talk about discipline, sometimes I remind you know, you interned way back and talking about character and ‘no excuses’. I mean, you trained-

Wayne: Monday to Friday.

Clance: Monday to Friday. The training sessions, you’d lift and sprint, and we’re talking about something like training probably start at 10, finish. By the time you wrap everything up, 1:00 or 2:00. Then I used to watch you walk across the—I’ll never forget—walk across the park with your knapsack, going to work, going to Costco, putting that in and the night shift working until-

Wayne: Probably 12, 1:00 AM.

Clance: And you weren’t late for training. You were there. Sometimes I’d come in and I’d see you. I guess you get there a little early, you’d be napping just to get ready for training.

Wayne: And then I’d probably finish training and nap.

Clance: Nap before you go sprinting. Don’t tell me about sacrifice. Like, cause I seen the ones want it, do it, sacrifice for it. And to me, that’s what I think we really create that crazy bond between me and you is because I’d seen you sacrifice. When a man and other clients I’ve seen, don’t even say anything, watching you sacrifice and putting all that work and ‘Not rocking her in jail. I’m the strongest guy. I’m the, you know, whatever.’ Always humble, always respectful. There’s a line, obviously.

Wayne: A hundred percent. Yeah.

Clance: But you just, everybody loves you because of your hard work, your heart, your work ethic. I don’t want to go off track. That makes me just so happy and to see you as a family man, as an artist, as a professional football player, and seeing the sky’s the limit for you. Right. But I want you to, you know, take you back to when you got drafted man. Too much y’all? That was like-

Wayne: It was a breakthrough.

Clance: Like that, that little, I think-

Wayne: A little gathering.

Clance: Yeah. It was crazy.

Wayne: I had a little gathering of like the closest people to me, people that helped me along my way, along my journey that has been there in different ways. Everything leading up to that point was rough.

Clance: Elaborate on it. So speak on it, man. Let me hear it. Tell them it wasn’t easy, baby.

Wayne: It wasn’t easy. It wasn’t easy. I went to Mc and it was just a rocky road. The whole way, the whole way was rocky. But I was just had to persevere through many things. There’s numerous times I wanted to quit. There’s numerous times I call you crying. Frustrated. Put some holes in my wall.

Clance: You used to blow my mind. I used to say, Okay, he is a running back. Number one or number two strongest guy on the team. Fast. Explosive. I’m not blank. Why aren’t they playing this guy more? What are they doing? Why are you guys trying to disrupt this? I know, I remember I saw a video about it. I got so frustrated that, Okay, the kid’s a beast, doing everything he’s supposed to be doing. If you have a problem, come communicate with me.

But the problem from what I understand, it’s much deeper than that.

Wayne: Everything around me and when I tried to address it, it would just be fluff. And then you could just see right through it, you know like I was always able to see right through it. But I did speak up numerous times, but it was just a journey that I had to go through, get through it.

Clance: Persevere.

Wayne: Persevere and get an opportunity to kind of, if they didn’t see what I was capable of, somebody was seeing it. That came to show. It came to show and to fast forward to the positive side, when I had my loved ones around me and I had the draft process. So I feel like I’ll never forget. That video, man. I go back and watch it cause it’s just special. You see raw emotion. I love seeing your teary eyes.

Clance: You’re crazy, man. I think Imma broke your neck. If you watch it in slow-mo you are the first person to react. I was like, Yo, he’s crazy. It’s crazy, man. But man, I wouldn’t trade it for nothing because it made the person that I had made that one so much more special.

Say that again, man. What’s that? I learn from you so much. Friction is good.

Wayne: Friction is good.

Clance: Friction is good.

Wayne: And it sounds messed up. I remember first time I said it to you and you’re like, What are you talking about? Like, you’re looking at me like, What do you mean friction is good?

But I had to, I learned it. Even if I had to read it at a time, I wasn’t able to understand it because I had to go through it and actually feel it. And then I embraced it and I’m like, Yo, friction is good because that’s the only way you grow.

That’s the only way you go. Do training, we have to bust our ass in here, sorry for my language, but bust our ass in here and go. That’s the only way you’ll get a positive outcome. Growth. That’s the only way you’ll pretty much achieve your goals. You have to pretty much shed what you currently are to get to where you want to be.

So in everyday aspects of life, it’s not going to just be a smooth journey like this. You have to jump over some hurdles. You have to break through some walls. But as you’re doing that, you’re getting stronger as you’re getting closer to the destination. So all of that friction that you’re going through. Yeah, it’s shitty at the time, but it’s necessary because that’s what’s building you behind the scenes. That’s what’s really building you to get to that destination and be able to handle that. If you don’t have that friction and you just get to that destination, trust me, it’s going to be a rude awakening.

Clance: It’s so powerful because you know when you’re going through it, you’re like, Why me?

And that’s natural. I get it. I understand why they’re struggling so and so forth. But when you said that friction is good, I said, “What’s this guy talking about?” But when you explain it to me and I dug into it, you just basically talking about rules. You’re basically preparing yourself, your mind, your body-

Wayne: Mentally first.

Clance: Mentally, for the next obstacle for the next reward or opportunities that’s coming to-

Wayne: What do you say, be ready for anything.

Clance: Be ready for anything, baby. Well, what’s the next exercise? What are you doing? Be ready for it.

Wayne: But that’s the thing though. Those little lessons that you preach here, it sticks with us because it’s real life. It’s real. It’s not just the gym. Not just pretend to the sprints, the workouts. It’s really like, you gotta be ready for anything. When I leave here, I gotta be ready for anything. That’s the every day, all the time thing, no matter what, you always have to be prepared to face whatever’s to come.

Clance: And the training methods that you’ve been through all the years, that’s pretty much the bottom. You know. That’s just like, that is how I love to develop the athletes. Any day I remember you were telling me that, you know, you haven’t squatted for a while. You haven’t done any exercise, but you’re just going to slap, slap, slap, slap, boom! Throwing some big way. People want to like, Yo. Don’t you have to warm up? Don’t you have to feel your condition? Here the camera, man, just now it was like watching you in some way like you haven’t touched any weights for a while.

You have this life you live in and you know, being a professional athlete and adversities, you have to be mentally ready. And I believe that’s where I believe training is not just about moving that weight. It’s all about that mental development. That Inner strength. And that’s one of the biggest compliments a lot of my athletes tell me is that, Clance, man. I appreciate the mental growth that the training has developed in me. And that’s huge for me. Let’s talk about like Wayne Moore in terms of the artists. Family, man. Papa. Husband.

Wayne: Crazy. Crazy. I don’t know where to start. Looking at myself where I currently am right now, I’m proud of myself. I’m proud of myself. And I can say that with confidence because I’ve been through a lot. I’m able to look at that and acknowledge it. But like I said before, I was able to get through all of it and it’s not done. I know I’m not even close to my peak in any aspect, but I’m ready to face whatever is coming. And I will continue to be proud because I’m going to face that with the same mindset, you know, but I’m grateful, man. I’m grateful for where I am. I am grateful for my family. I’m grateful for my capabilities. I’m grateful for my loved ones and the people that are around me and support me. And I just continue to take it a day at a time, man.

With me being like you said, Wayne Moore as the artist, I’m proud of myself for really taking the time to tap into that, to tap back into it. Because it’s something I’ve always done personally for myself because playing sports, playing football training, and all that, that’s a lot of friction, you know, a lot of beaten up a lot of muscle, but when I go home and I want to kind of deflate, turn on some music, I just, if it’s my paints, my brush, it’s my pen, pencil, I just flow man. And if it feels so good.

Clance: The biggest thing for me is like, I’ve known you for all these years, and I didn’t see the work. And I seen some of your work just recently. I’m like, What?!

Wayne: A lot of them react like that.

Clance: And I’m like, you know, I bought an original piece from you. I love that piece so much because it has such a deep. It was just calming. It has such a deep meaning to me. That’s why I kept harassing you about it.

I don’t want to reprint. I want that.

Wayne: But I respected that so much that you doing that you don’t know, but they encouraged me so much because it’s like, that was the point in time when I was kind of just putting it out there, yeah, I do this, but I still kinda, it was always something I did for myself. So when I started to put it out there at first, I wouldn’t say timid, but it’s just, it was uncomfortable.

Clance: Which is natural. You’re moving in natural territory. You are right sitting here and talking all day, you know, I’m about that business in the gym. So this is different environment. So I get it. But when I see that work in plus the environment that we’re in right now, man, the work that you’re doing is so powerful with the George Floyd. I know a lot of people are there, but that’s made a massive shift in terms of me understanding our history and teaching our children and so on and so forth. So me seeing your work is not just like they’re so… Your work to me resonates and there’s millions of people out there that have to see your work and they’re going to buy your work. Facts. I don’t see any other way. I don’t see because it’s just… I love it.

Wayne: It’s crazy when you say that because the more I dive into it full-heartedly, it’s like we were talking about before energy. I just feel it. Yeah. I feel it. The thoughts consistently come to mind so much ideas. It’s like, I’m grateful for it. But sometimes it’s like overwhelming because I get all these ideas and I’m like, I want to be able to produce all of them. So sometimes I got to sketch them out before I actually get an opportunity to put it on canvas and present it. But just that experience, it’s hard to explain because it’s all in my head, but it’s like just that experience of formulating all these ideas and things that are happening in the world and things in my mind, and to put it onto canvas with color and emotion and you know, just different effects.

It feels good because I know through that, through my paints and through my work, people could look at it the way I present it, but people call it, it allows people to look at it in any which way they feel. And that’s what I like, because I want most people I want you to look at it and have a thought process. Even if you look at it for five seconds, you take it in. That’s all I that’s all I want. I want you to think. I’m just trying to get you thinking, that’s it. Because you’ll see some colors and it might affect you in a way or draw you to it. But everyone has their own personal life experience and that’s what will make them either gravitate to it or move away from it. Not, not want to entertain it. Right?

Clance: You know what really impressed me as well, I was, I want you to, hey, I called you up and say, Wayne, can you draw this piece for me? And you said, Clance, man, I don’t really do that. My, the work do is kinda just comes from me or is something that’s coming from me or whatever.

The main point is that, which I think which I really appreciate and I really respect. And it really goes to the fact how authentic your work is. Your work is coming from deep. That made, the piece I bought from you, way deeper to knowing that it came from you. It’s not just, okay, somebody told me to draw this, draw that. Hey, no disrespect, but he wants to do that. I’ll just keep watching what you do and if I like something that pulls me, I’ll buy, you know what I mean?

But that to me is a powerful message to a lot of entrepreneurs and as a businessman, who is trying to run a gym. We have a certain culture. I train people a certain way and I have a certain belief, a certain authenticity, and a lot of times people are coming to pull that, you know, to chip away at that, to take you away. What you just did to me, I’m really driving home this point because it’s not just about, it was really deep to me. It’s like, Yo, you got to stay true to you.

Wayne: That’s the most important thing. That’s what-

Clance: You say no to me. It was a big deal to me.

Wayne: That’s the thing too. It’s not that I can’t do it. It’s like, that’s not my thing. That’s when I do my work, I don’t even call it work. It’s like, it’s just my joy, my passion, when I’m in that vibe, it’s purely from the inside. I’ll be sitting on my couch one time looking at the ceiling and my mind is just flowing with ideas and my lady would be looking at me like, You okay? And I’m like, don’t worry. Like it’s just formulating. But I know later on in the night I’m gonna tear up that canvas because I’m just I got to let it out. But that’s the best feeling because it’s bubbling inside and it’s like 4 million itself. But when I get to get to that canvas and just let it out, that’s the way I want it to be done.

Clance: Authentic. Like to me, it was just huge, man. Like, I guess maybe just because of the timing, you know, certain things went on with COVID, everybody’s pulling you certain directions and this and that. I was writing my book and whatever, it just made me, you just reinforced my belief of just staying the course and being you—being authentic. You’re not for everybody and man, that just made my peace way more value in my eyes, you know.

Because it’s not coming from nowhere. It’s coming from here and he comes from here and there. So I guess to get back on the training and, and, and uh, and football and, and, and so on and so forth. What is your, you know, once this whole COVID thing slows down or if things kind of get back to some type of normal, what’s your objective, what’s your goals?

Wayne: Man, it’s crazy because a lot of people have asked me, or if I’ve heard a lot of people say, like, after COVID, or after this pandemic, like, what are you going to do or how are you handling it? And just how I live my day-to-day life. I’m a low-key person. I’m a low-key. Like, you know, I just do my own thing. So I’m not saying I’m phased by it, but that friction is good, man. Because if this thing comes around, I didn’t really think I wouldn’t have tapped into my art this way and I’m appreciative it because it’s allowed me to think differently, right. Coming out of this now I want to have art show. I definitely have I set a date for my birthday, but some complications now due to things slowing down. But it will be done. It will be done.

I’m formulating a lot of pieces to get that out there. And I really want to create an experience for a lot of people to come to one area and have discussions looking at the work I present because of course, I would love for people to buy my work. That to me, that’s the bonus, because that means that you’ve gravitated to it in a special way. Not just by the eyes, it’s a little deeper. From the surface, I do just want to get people in one area to have a discussion about looking at a piece. That’s just, to me, that’s a really special feeling to be able to create something, to have people stand up and look and say, and just talk about it. I feel like a lot of people don’t do that. Day-to-day a lot of people don’t like to talk. A lot of people don’t like to discuss. Everyone just heads down.

Clance: You know, photography is my hobby. I remember someone, I don’t know if I read it somewhere or what, you know, and I printed a lot of photos and someone said to me, man, if you want your photography to live or your pictures to live, print it and frame it. Even if you don’t frame it, print it and put it into a special thing. And I’ll never forget that. I plan on getting back to a lot of doing a lot of photography, but because a lot of times I would walk by my, you know, I look at it print, you know, say yeah.

Wayne: Yeah. And my project, you know my project. It’s coming out soon, but that’s a huge part of it.

Clance: It’s massive.

Wayne: Huge part of it. Because a lot of people used to have a lot of family pictures. That’s all I see. Now, not a lot of family pictures and they just don’t, it used to be a big thing. You go to every household and you see that, but now it’s like, yeah, to take the pictures, but it stored in the phone. If you lose the phone-

Clance: And they forget that.

Wayne: They don’t appreciate it. They don’t appreciate it. It’s just like, I’m going to take this picture and then a few days later, I’m going to dress up again and take another picture. But it’s just like event after event. It’s not like, what was this moment about? Like, what do we do here? What do we achieve in this picture?

When you print it and you get a chance to look at it, it should be empowering and that’s what you want to happen. So with my project, that’s what I’m going to be doing. To continue, you say, What are my goals?

Busting my ass to have a successful season. And I have a lot of personal goals that I keep to myself.

Clance: A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

Wayne: But I’m putting forth my best effort to-

Clance: Put in that work. I feel like we can do like for these short discussions, cause we have so much to talk and I say, we just cutting through stuff.

Wayne: It’s hard to just chop down. Yeah.

Clance: But what I want you to do is let people, that younger athletes, get into your world or give them some advice. They wanna be successful in part on the journey to becoming a pro athlete. What advice would you have for that young man or that young woman?

Wayne: Really and truly train here. It’s not even because of Clance or promotion thing. It’s just what it is. I have to be exposed. I’m a professional athlete now. I’m just gonna say it as it is. I’ve been exposed to a lot. I see a lot out there and this is just not it. When I’m here and every time I come back here, I want to come back here because what I see out there, it’s not doing it for me. That’s me personally. But I feel like with what I go against that’s out there, I’m usually in the winning favor. If I was able to come here a lot younger, I would’ve done that.

What age would you say is the best time to really apply this type of training?

Clance: 11. But not this type of building the foundation from 11 years old. What we had to work on is mobility and flexibility. Usually gets distorted from improper training. But I want to double down on that a little bit, because what you said is really important. You know, I’m not a braggadocious, you know, I’m the guy. I let my athletes speak for itself. And a lot of times people say, not Clance like I see a lot of things compared to you, you got to let people know. I don’t try to people with know through the work, through the production. It’s just the gimmicks out there, dude, man, it drives me crazy.

Wayne: I already know.

Clance: It’s the marketing machine, the sales machine, Instagram, Youtube do this crazy. And I’m just so happy to hear that yeah, you’re a pro athlete, you go out there, you see you’re part of different teams, part of different training, and so on and so forth, to come at you with all kinds of stuff.

Wayne: And it’s, it’s hard. It’s hard because growing up in school, I always heard the majority wins. Majority wins. And there’s a vast majority that-

Clance: I’m the minority. Facts. I’m a huge minority.

Wayne: But it’s the right minorities.

Clance: Because it’s hard. This shit is hard. People want to avoid hardship. I’m sorry.

Wayne: Yeah, it’s fine. Nobody wants that friction. And I had to go through this friction to know that it’s good. Like I won’t revert from it. Nope. Now that I know what it’s doing for me, no matter how tough it is, that’s what you need. Because the fluffing, if I’m wanting to training to just most of the sweat and do some movement and I’m leaving on nice and clean, I’m coming Monday to Friday and it’s just in and out, in and out, that’s not it. What am I doing? What am I doing? It’s not doing it. It’s comfortable. It’s comfortable, but it’s not doing it. And that’s me personally. I know what it’s done for me compared to what’s out there. You get me? So it’s like, I need that friction. I need that work. Yeah, it’s hard. Yeah, it’s tough. But I know what I’m developing. When I want to activate that you trust me, like that.

Clance: By law.

Wayne: Like that.

Clance: By law. By law!

Wayne: It’s not like a warmup thing. That’s just what it is. I’ll be quiet, I’ll do my thing, but if I want to, yow, yow it’s here. You know what I mean? So if you want to develop that and you try to get that, just come here, man. Get it from the grassroots, it’s better. The earlier you come the better. Because if I could have came here younger and I have the foundation-

Clance: Not the clay, the foundation, the clay at the molded. A lot of times athletes come in, it’s like a tug of war. It’s like, we have a tug of war. I gotta pull you back. I gotta pull you back and then you think I’m against you or I’m quite at you. Some young man, they get it or no, this guy knows what he’s talking about. So we got to go through that. The majority of the time they listen and then we gotta build you back.

Wayne: And at the end of the day, I’ve always learned that tough love is one of the best things you can get. If you’re giving me all the nice stuff and we ain’t doing this great job with every day, it’s just good job. You’re telling me something that I’m doing wrong because I know am I everything right? And I need to hear that now this ‘nice, nice’ stuff, it doesn’t work. For me, it doesn’t work. I need the grunginess cause that awakens what I need in my sport.

Clance: Didn’t we talk about that? I called you after a session and say, Wayne, I gotta talk to you.

Cause I was struggling with that.

Wayne: I know.

Clance: And that’s when you told me friction is good. You don’t want to do the program, go somewhere.

Wayne: But I’m telling you, you’re gonna come back. Cause you’re going to need that program.

Clance: Which it happens. You see it happening. You see it happening, Wayne. Right? You see that happening. They think this guy is crazy, but there’s a method to the madness. Yo, when you told me, Clance, friction is good.

And that’s where I can remember we were sitting at Starbucks.

Wayne: I remember you said-

Clance: We were outside.

Wayne: Yeah. And I had to really say it because, due to the reason, I was able to present it that way. I went through it. And there was numerous times when I was going through that friction and I was like, I was in my room and I’m like, y’all not going to train it today. I’m not, there’s no way I can. I can’t squat. I can’t. There’s no way I can do nothing. So I’m staying home and I’ll see my phone ringing like, Yow, Wayne, are you coming today?

Clance: The funny thing I used to have, cause you know me. People think I don’t have my, you know-

Wayne: Like you’re tracking.

Clance: I’m tracking. I had a feeling like a couple of times just to make sure.

Wayne: Yeah. Yeah. I know. That’s what it takes you to. It takes you to that point where you’re like that fight or flight kicks in—numerous times. Cause I felt it. It’s indescribable man cause you just have to go through it. Even now, even till this day, I could come in today, ask for a program and it’s like, no matter how much years I’ve been through it, it’s not going to be a breeze because it never stops.

Clance: It never stops.

Wayne: It doesn’t stop.

Clance: It’s a system that is built on ‘the more you put in it, the more you get on it.’

Wayne: Exactly.

Clance: You slack, it’s not gonna help. Right? You gotta do the work.

Wayne: Yes, the foundation is good, but if I want to achieve what I need to achieve, then the work needs to be put in a certain way. Friction. You know what I mean?

Clance: Is there anything you want to close out with? Anything you want to say? It’s just honestly, man, there’s just so much that I can’t really, I’m just being real. Like I didn’t write this stuff on a pad. We’re just chopping it up.

Wayne: We do this like every day.

Clance: Every day. So I just really want you and I really want the young fellows out there, young ladies out there at the understand man, that this brother right here earned everything and is earning everything that’s coming through. I’m not just saying it, cause you put in the work and you continue to put in the work. Sorry.

Wayne: Look. The fact that we’re able to talk every day. It’s been almost like 8-9 years now and it’s like the fact that we have this relationship.

Clance: And we don’t talk about the training.

Wayne: Exactly. Not at all, but that’s the relationship we built. Training was the gateway to start it, but the relationship we built, the back and forth, the yelling, the grinding— that’s what built the true relationship. Cause it’s like, you’re seeing all aspects of it. I know you care about me. That’s one of the most important things because sports is a grinding world. Truly sports is a grinding world. And if you’re trying to get to the professional level, it’s not going to be ‘pat on the back, good job’ system. It’s like, are you performing? Good, we’re keeping you. You’re not performing? Bye.

I have my fair share of that. And that’s why I know. Coming here will prepare you for that and let you know how to handle it. If you’re going to go deal with the fluff stuff I’m telling you, you’re going to be in for a rude awakening because the world, the real world, and what you’re trying to aspire to do, it’s not like that. It’s a cutthroat system. So if you want to be prepared for that, come here, deal with the friction. You’re going to get yelled at. Yeah, it’s fine. But it’s going to bring the best out of you. You’re going to be yelling because you’re not doing what you’re supposed to do. Maybe yelling to motivate you, but it’s going to get the best out of you. I’m getting chills, man. Because I know it’s true.

Clance: Thank you so much for saying that. Cause if I’m not yelling at you or—I’m not even like yelling—if I’m not paying attention to you, I don’t care. And that really doesn’t happen cause this gym is too small so you outta here.

Wayne: That’s what I like.

Clance: You’re gone. That’s it.

Wayne: If I’m here and Fabian is there and yeah, Fabian is a bigger guy and he’s moving bigger weight, but if he’s moving weight and I see him move away, y’all moving away too. It’s always a challenge. It’s friction. So if he sees me getting closer, he’s just, I can’t get Wayne close to me. That’s the environment. You want that. Cause what am I going to do on the field? What am I doing to my sport? It’s competition all the time. It’s not a frenzied thing.

Clance: That’s what people don’t understand. Why I’m so fixed on that word—DOMINATE? Because you got to dominate your mind. You gotta dominate every day you get up out of bed, and to dominate. You got to look at you and dominate that negativity, dominate that ‘can’t stop, won’t stop.’

Wayne: Exactly.

Clance: You gotta believe it. You gotta be there before anybody else. You gotta be you, whatever you want to do before anybody else believes it, you better believe-

Wayne: And that’s what it is.

Clance: So you gotta wait for me to believ or somebody else. You got to believe it deep and get after that. That’s what it’s about. Dominate that bullshit. Dominate that negative talk, dominate that fucking lazy motherfucker going. Dominate all that bullshit and get in that real work. It is crushing me. I’ve been fucking searching for the best training methods all my fucking career. Made tons of mistakes with some dumb shits that site. Typically, they say it work, the fucking shit, but the results speak for itself. It’s so fucking annoying.

But my point is, it all comes back down to hard work, the right work, and you have to be challenged. If nobody’s not challenged, get the fuck out of here. Leave that motherfucker. If I don’t challenge you, what am I doing for you?

Wayne: You challenge me. That’s why I keep coming back.

Clance: What am I doing for you? What am I doing for you? Your gonna call me like a big dog, like lift off me. Nah, fuck that! That shift don’t work! Yo, you got to, ’cause that’s my job. My job is to reach in, pull, and wheel that motherfucker. The best Wayne Moore could be. Period! And what I love about that is that that transfers to all kinds of aspects in life. You don’t worry, whatever you decide to do after sport. Don’t let no motherfucker buddy tell you, you can’t, you can’t, you can’t. Fuck you! I can do whatever I put my mind to. Period!

Wayne: And that’s how it goes. That’s where it goes back to. Everybody wants to be a monster until they see what real monsters do. Cause there’s going to be numerous people that come here because they think, they think that’s what they think they can do what the monsters do until you line up beside the monster and see him rock your fucking world. You see what I’m saying? That’s what happens.

Clance: That’s why that quote is on the board. Until I die, that is going to be living with me. Wayne Moore.

Clance & Wayne: Everybody wants to be a monster until they see what real monsters do.

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