The Power of Discipline and Strength: A Conversation with Clance Laylor
In episode 18 of the Non Negotiable Podcast on Youtube, the host introduces an intensive and inspiring interview with Clance Laylor, a highly passionate strengths coach and co-founder of LPS Athletic. This two-and-a-half-hour episode covers Clance’s journey from a promising athlete sidelined by injury to a renowned trainer for top Canadian lifters and superstar NHL players like P.K. Subban. Clance talks about the importance of full range of motion training, the detrimental effects of poor training on young athletes, and the achievement of his daughter Maya, a Commonwealth champion. He emphasizes the role of discipline, focus, and strong mentorship in achieving athletic greatness.
This episode is enriched with personal anecdotes, training philosophies, and practical advice for both athletes and parents, making it a compelling listen for anyone interested in sports and personal development.
Available to listen or watch:
00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:30 Meet Clance Laylor: Strength Coach Extraordinaire
04:19 The Journey of PK Subban
06:18 Clance’s Personal Story: From Athlete to Coach
11:12 The Importance of Proper Training
15:23 Training Philosophy and Techniques
19:07 The Role of Strength in Athletic Performance
27:40 Training the Next Generation
46:31 Coaching and Mentorship
51:30 High School Cheating and Motivational Books
52:24 Fatherhood and Coaching
53:00 Weightlifting Journey and Competitions
55:22 Training Philosophy and Mental Toughness
58:49 Growing Up in Tough Neighborhoods
01:02:29 Discipline and Family Values
01:14:25 Diet and Nutrition for Athletes
01:25:28 Challenges in Youth Sports
01:36:10 The Importance of Earning Rewards
01:36:35 Raising Mentally Strong Children
01:37:30 The Harm of Participation Trophies
01:38:50 Training the Next Generation of Athletes
01:43:42 The Role of Physical Education in Schools
01:47:18 The Impact of Discipline and Hard Work
01:56:01 The Value of Mentorship and Sacrifice
02:00:22 The Philosophy of LPS Athletic
02:11:32 The Importance of Focus and Avoiding Distractions
02:15:08 Final Thoughts and Reflections
About NON-NEGOTIABLE BRAND – THE PODCAST
Former Police Officer Mike Rapson dives deep into societal issues that ordinary citizens of today are pressured into remaining silent about. As half owner of the Non-Negotiable Brand, along with his wife Jen (former pediatric Nurse), the brand will focus on moving forward as a society, where living in fear is no longer a natural way of life. Having witnessed the media and current political climate outright abuse society for too many years to count, Non-Negotiable Brand – The Podcast will look to make people laugh, critically think, become healthier both physically and mentally, and above all, realize what their own life Non-Negotiables are.
Here’s a closer look at the conversation that sheds light on the unwavering intensity needed to become great in any field:
Clance Laylor’s Journey: From Athlete to Coach
Clance Laylor’s path to becoming a strength coach was anything but ordinary. After his Olympic dreams were shattered by a knee injury, he found himself in a dark place. It was there he discovered a new passion—training others. Starting with task force units in Philadelphia, Clance honed his skills, eventually impacting the lives of countless athletes, including NHL superstar PK Subban.
The Power of Discipline and Hard Work
One of the key messages Clance shared was the concept of relentless dedication. By holding himself and others to high standards, he forged a culture at LPS Athletics based on leadership, performance, and savagery. His mantra of “adapt or die” resonates deeply, emphasizing that consistent effort and a willingness to push through discomfort are crucial to progress.
Training Philosophy: Full Range and Strength
A critical piece of the conversation centered around the importance of full range of motion and the dangers of improper training. Clance passionately argued against the short-range training tactics that are prevalent in sports today, which, according to him, lead to a rise in injuries. He advocates for strength through full motion as a foundation for durability and peak performance.
Developing the Winner’s Mindset
Clance’s success stories go beyond physical training. He instills a mental toughness in his athletes that transcends the gym. Whether it’s his daughter Maya, a Commonwealth champion in weightlifting, or other athletes under his tutelage, Clance ensures they understand the importance of working towards their goals with unwavering commitment and strategic focus.
Impact of Family and Background
Coming from a tough background in Jane and Shepard, Clance attributes much of his drive to early life lessons about resilience and determination. His experiences growing up in a challenging environment instilled in him the necessity of standing up for oneself, a lesson he now passes on to his children and athletes.
Facing the Challenges in Youth Sports
In discussing the current state of youth sports, Clance highlighted troubling trends, such as the decline in physical education and the detrimental impact of an overly cautious approach to children’s play. He argues that the mass introduction of participation trophies and the avoidance of tough lessons are setting children up for failure, stressing the need for true competition and earned success.
Conclusion
Clance Laylor’s insights into the realms of strength training and personal development are both motivational and educational. Whether you’re an aspiring athlete or someone striving for personal excellence, this in-depth discussion offers valuable lessons on the power of hard work, the necessity of mental resilience, and the essential nature of pushing personal boundaries. Embracing these non-negotiable principles could be the key step towards achieving your ultimate goals.
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TRANSCRIPTION:
Mike Rapson: What’s up, everybody? Welcome back to episode 18 of the Non Negotiable Podcast. Just wanted to jump on here before we roll into the interview with Clance Laylor, who’s an absolute fucking beauty. What a time we had on this podcast. Actually runs just over two and a half hours. And just to give you an idea of how it went, Jen was upstairs and she could hear us.
Getting into it on the pod Especially Clance who’s an intense motherfucker. So he’s a strengths coach at LPS, which he’s a co founder of Kayla Ko is actually the one that Suggested I have him on the podcast thought we’d get along which we absolutely fucking do actually since then I’ve committed to a lifting course under the guidance of Kayla and Clance actually at and through LPS Which I’m fucking pumped for so as you’re listening to the intensity of this interview and I don’t want to ruin anything But you’ll see you can actually hear we had to do some special audio edits because Clance is actually so fired up and passionate You can hear the fucking passion in this man’s voice and it was an absolute fucking pleasure to have him on and I’m super pumped to see what he and Kayla can do With what we’re going to do in the next year with the lifting and shit, but yeah, man, his story is amazing.
How he ended up as a lifting coach coaching his daughter as a international level, fucking top Canadian lifter. Yeah, it’s awesome, man. On top of the fact that he’s trained full blown superstar NHLers like P. K. Subban. That’s about as much as I’m going to get into her. Enjoy the pod. Thanks again for supporting and Yeah, give LPS a shout out, a follow and check out his book, Dominate.
I’ve actually already handed it out to a good friend I read in three days, and for those of you who know me, I’m not exactly one who jumps into reading books unless they’re fucking awesome. Oh yeah, and One last thing. In the pod actually he mentions there’s a point where he says training in full range of motion will lead to injuries.
It is the exact opposite of that, so I know that Clance wants me to get that straight for you guys. Full range of motion is where it’s at. And if you got a coach who ain’t doing that for you, hire Clance. Alright guys, let’s fucking go. All right. Great rock. Thanks for coming, brother. Thank you, man. I appreciate it.
Yeah, man. Class Lailer. Fucking right. Thanks for coming, man.
Clance Laylor: It’s an honor. It’s an honor. I love the vibe, man. I love the,
Mike Rapson: yeah, I
Clance Laylor: love the
Mike Rapson: vibe. Good energy. Yeah. Good. This used to be a storage room full of garbage, and then we made it into the podcast room slash non negotiable merch room, storage room.
Yeah. Welcome to my house, buddy. No, I love it, man. Love the logo. Yeah, man. Yeah, shout out to Kayla Cole for putting this together. Thank
Clance Laylor: you, Kayla. Kayla. Kayla’s funny. She one morning she goes, this guy, you and this guy get along really well. You guys are pretty similar. I think she was right.
Mike Rapson: I love it. Fucking yeah, forget too far. Yeah, Clance Layler. Sorry, Clance Layler. Welcome to my house. Welcome to the podcast, master strength coach and founder of LPS athletics trainer for team Canada, right?
Clance Laylor: One of the coaches, one of the coaches you said? Yeah, Olympic weightlifting team Canada, correct.
Fuckin
Mike Rapson: man. I love it. Yeah, we’re gonna change a little course here from the podcast. A lot of it’s usually, I don’t know, controversial ish or whatever. Call out some people, talk about stuff that people don’t normally want to talk about. But I like this. We can, run into things like what you should look out for.
Maybe if you’re picking a coach. For strength training, stuff like that, things you’ve learned with youngsters, even adults. Things you’ve struggled with trying to coach people and shit. I have a few things to say about that. Oh, I bet. I bet. And your LPS athletics, how long has that been going for?
LPS athletics been going for
Clance Laylor: I would say probably 15 years or more. Yeah, to be exact, not sure the exact date, but like almost two decades for sure. Yeah, but
Mike Rapson: you’ve been coaching for 30 years, 30 years. Yeah, right on maybe. Yeah. You’ve coached the likes of PK Subban, no big fucking deal. No big deal.
Yeah. Since he was 16 years old, sent me a video of him doing a chin up with an extra 160 pounds on. Yeah, that’s insane. What did he weigh then? 160 pounds? No, it was 200. So it was 220. So 220. Hard to tell. He looked young there. It’s crazy. Easy there. PK, but I think he was like 19 or 20, 19 or 20 at that time.
So he’s 200 something pounds, two 20, and he’s adding one 60. Yeah. So when
Clance Laylor: PK first came to me, man, he was he was, a lot of people don’t believe he’s not the Adonis he was, when he was a Norris trophy winner and so forth, he was fat, he wasn’t that strong, but he was mentally strong.
Yeah, he was determined. He took the he’s a train twice a day. So he’d come in the morning train, go home, skate, nap, come back for a second session. That’s he was a workhorse. He didn’t know mommy and daddy didn’t drive him to the gym. He took the bus, right? So he wanted it. Yeah. And then he was the type of kid that He I could use that mental toughness because I would yeah, you can’t do that.
Oh, that would drive him crazy you can’t yeah, whatever buddy you can’t you know, so he’s just it was a it’s a beautiful relationship, man It was good. He was it was a workhorse So because he was such a workhorse and he’d call me on the weekends and clan Should I eat this?
Can I eat that or can I eat this? It was a total transformation in terms of and I just love seeing him. I didn’t, I got invited to when they retired his jersey, I knew it was good, but I didn’t know it was that good and one of my favorite hits is Marshall on his right.
Mike Rapson: It
Clance Laylor: crushes him.
Yeah, but I just, it was blew my mind just sitting down and taking in all the highlights. I’m like, holy shit. Yeah. Cause one time he had the heart, one of the hardest shots in NHL, second to Chara. So yeah, it was a beautiful ride.
Mike Rapson: That’s awesome, man. Let’s rewind before that. I want to hear a little bit more about all that cool stuff.
But what got you into training? You know what? I,
Clance Laylor: it was just by fluke. Um, a little bit about my background is I love track and field, love football. In my head, I was going to be an Olympian, one day in Indianapolis, this is called the Peace Games in Indianapolis, so basically Canada and the United States, we’re competing, we’re having the 4×100 meter relay, I’m the anchor, beautiful hot sunny day, man, just feel the energy, you feel the crowd, it’s like nothing like in Canada, over there in the States, it’s like a different energy.
I’m bouncing up and down, but the starter’s getting everybody re ready. On your mark, set, gun goes off. My boy is ripping up that corner. Probably, I think he’s in the lead already. Second pass is beautiful. Big Alistair, he’s just ripping up the stretch. I just remember these guys in third baton window.
Another guy with some massive quads. It’s just funny with the things that you remember when you were younger, right? He’s coming at me, my heart is beeping, and he’s just coming down on me. I’m like, give me your stick! And I grab that baton and I’m flying. We got this in the bag. I’m pretty much floating, a little bit of showboating, just a little bit.
Just a little bit. Boom. Baton hits my thigh. I couldn’t believe it. I’m looking up in the sky at the baton, bro. And while this is going on, everything is just in slow mo. I’m thinking, okay, no problem. I can stop, grab that baton, and still win. So that’s what I do. I stop, boom. My knee popped, man. The loudest, it sounded like a 12 gauge going off in my ear.
I was on, you can hear the crowd go whoo. It was like the whole area that took it out of the crowd. Everything was dead silent. I was rolling on the ground in pain. The rubber was hot. Felt like it was peeling off my skin. And all this time when I’m down there holding my knee and go this is bad.
This is really bad. I just knew something. I just had a feeling my career was, like, done. My Olympic dreams was done. And. It’s that’s what happened after we had multiple surgeries, seeing some of the best doctors, blah, blah, blah, kept popping out, retraining, whatever. I’ll just walk, pop out, get in a drain every week, no matter what.
Anyway, I went into a dark spot. Just, I was in a dark zone. Very, just pretty much, just a real bad depressive state for a while. One day I was at the gym seeing this guy working out and actually he was training somebody and I didn’t understand. I said, man, you can make money from that training.
Like I’m working out, right? And he’s working. I go, you training, you’re making money from that. And that’s how it started. And I said, and he told me, yeah. And he said, man, yeah, I’m a trainer. And if you want to, if you want to be really good, look towards this guy named Charles Baldwin. And that’s what that, and then the rest was history.
Once I started becoming a strength coach and start and learning and interning because of my injury, I’ve, and I always paid attention to the body, how forces interact with the human body. I’ve always had good relationships with therapists, chiropractors, massage therapists, anybody with soft tissue specialists, just learning.
And, that’s why my passion is to, yeah, I get my athletes fast, powerful, durable, yeah, fast. Explosive everybody wants all that but durability. Yeah, and is something that I have pride myself on You track my athletes history. I trained over 800 athletes. No Achilles tendon ruptures. No hamstring ruptures You know what I’m saying?
If you check P. K. ‘s career he was basically an Ironman before he got into a freak, a little crazy, missed one game and that ended up his treatment. I think he was going to beat somebody’s record.
But I’ve always held
Clance Laylor: that close and always paid attention. And that’s what stresses me out now. I look at a lot of the sports and you see the injury rates are going up year to year.
Like why you have more specialists, more doctors, more money than we ever had more data. Like why are we having the record amount of injuries that we record amount of injuries in all these major sports, baseball, NFL, NBA. Soccer. Yeah, then we’ve ever had. Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: So anyway, I get a little bit I’m passionate about that,
Mike Rapson: yeah. Do you find a lot of kids that Blake plays with or Rye play with, they play sports 12 months a year. There’s no rest, no downtime. These aren’t like athletes that are hitting the gym yet, but do you find it might be because of no downtime mixed with bad training, bad advice?
Clance Laylor: We have a saying in our gym. If you’re not going to school and if you’re not working. You’re training. So believe it or not, the kids in our gym in the summertime because they’re not in school. And if you’re not working in summertime, you’re training.
So they
Clance Laylor: train multiple times a day.
Okay.
Clance Laylor: So the answer is no.
It’s just bad training. Gotcha. Like I there’s a beautiful it’s bad training.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, so it’s not like you’re. Hit in the gym and you’re squatting twice a day every single day. You can mix in proper training,
Clance Laylor: right? No, it’s not the exercises how they perform the exercises. Okay, and specifically like short range of motion like wall sits Like short range of motion exercises that are basically we’re supposed to be elastic Your child is elastic very flexible and then with the bad acts with bad exercises You’re making their mouth.
They’re making them tight when you make them tight and you make them strong and tight, something’s gonna pop. Yeah. Or something’s going to be strained or you’re going to mummify joints, right? So ligaments, tendons, fascia, muscles, all those things are getting tight and short with all these, what we call short movements.
So instead of doing a full squat, like what, if you look at your child, they sit in a full squat, no problem. Yeah. I travel all over the world. You look at the Asia or they sit in full squats. People sitting in full squat, having a conversation, not here in North America. No. That’s why we have 45 percent of all.
Related injuries are associated with ankles. That means the shins can’t even, the shins not even going past the toe. So this moronic cue of telling athletes not to make get your, not to make sure your knees don’t go over your toe is one of the underlining causes for explosion of injuries. Really?
Telling athletes not to squat below parallel is another one.
Mike Rapson: Why do people, because I actually, when I squat, I go to the bottom, I bounce out. So maybe that’s fine. Is that okay? Good. Because
Clance Laylor: those tissues are nice and healthy.
Okay.
Clance Laylor: The key thing is you think of your ligaments were elastic and the more you mess with that elastic elasticity, the more you run into problems.
I’m trying to make this very simple. Yeah. Ligaments, tendons, fascia, muscle, everything is elastic stretch. Once you, once if elastic band dries out, what happens? It’s not so the training is drying out the athletes elastic bands. That’s what’s happening to all these athletes like great. She won Barkley beautiful athlete.
He just won the that running back cause fuck it. Jack is a monster. Love that boy. PK sent me a video of him box squatting. So for those who don’t know what a box squat is. You basically are squatting partial range, right? So you touch the bar score. He’s moving 600 pounds.
I don’t care how partial that’s allowed. I think he’s doing five reps. It was I’m like, whoa, the boy is powerful. He, I, he power clean something like 180 kilos for his size. Or so that’s 400 pounds, right? Power clean, 400 pounds, power clean, 400 pounds. Kids. Beautiful to watch. I’m a fan of football.
I’m a fan of athleticism, but I said, man I was where I said, PK, man. I have a feeling this kid’s gonna blow his ACL or MCL or something. PK texted me back about a couple weeks ago. Clance, you called it. I said, call what? I didn’t know what you’re talking about. He goes, didn’t you hear?
Sequan Barkley tore his ACL. I was like, what? I didn’t want to hear that. I was upset. I’m glad he bounced back, but I can see it coming. And if you look at a lot of these programs, and starting from such a young age, there are a plethora of exercises done at short range of motion. The joint must go through a full range of motion at all times.
Every now and then. That’s key. If you are short and tight, you’re asking for injury. And that’s what’s going on. You have you must know the anatomy and so when people say training you know lifting weights lifting where it’s gonna hurt you, bro I’ve learned that over the years. They heard me. That’s what rule my career.
I was a strong young boy. Yeah, I mean They don’t even know it’s a young bull, you know what I’m saying? You know what I understand, but I was strong. But I was, I squatted like 6, like 550. And I was weighing like 160 pounds.
Mike Rapson: Shut the fuck up.
Clance Laylor: No, when I was like 18 years old.
Mike Rapson: 550.
Clance Laylor: 550, not a full squat.
Still? Not a squat. I squatted 500 like years ago. Like maybe 5 years ago I squatted 500 pounds.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Right? I have that track. I have that foundation. I benched 400 pounds. You know what I mean? So my point is like you got to keep your ego at the door and as a coach, you have to focus on health first, range of motion first, tissues, ligaments, all those things have to get healthy.
Then you start loading the weight. Yeah, I sent you a video of my daughter. She squatted almost, what, 100, almost 800, 400 pounds, weighing at, what weighing at she was weighing at 71 kilos, bro. She’s a Commonwealth champion. So I know how to get people strong. Somebody strong at someone tell me about strength, but you have to do it properly.
I have some of the strongest players and some of the strongest athletes in the country. And the reason why I love weightlifting Because people could talk all that nonsense, but the numbers are the numbers. If you look in the record books, you’ll see a name, and you’ll see Coach Clarence Slater.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And Team Kent, you know what I’m saying? And World Record, so that’s why I love I’m a track guy. That’s my phone name. So I kind of love, cause hockey, I get annoyed at hockey and football, cause, you can hide. You know what I mean? You got, you can hide. You can hide, but when it’s mono, mono. And that’s why I love this old school, like it’s coming back, that.
The game like this I know I’m, you gotta keep me on track, I can jump.
Mike Rapson: You go, it’s good.
Clance Laylor: Listen, man when, I get, that’s why I love this new coach for Leafs. Oh what the
Mike Rapson: fuck’s
Clance Laylor: his name?
Mike Rapson: North and South Hockey, baby. Hard, fast, and heavy. Yeah. Old school shit.
Clance Laylor: Old school shit!
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: You’re that you’re steeled ass, I’m gonna catch you one day, bro. If you see in the, cause it really annoys me, cause all these kids, I got a lot of stories, what happens is, oh I wanna get fast, but they ain’t strong. Yeah. And you’re gonna get caught, bro. And I get a lot of these little kids that are small and you’re talking about fast.
Yes, fat, but you’ve got to get strong because these big boys are going to lean on you and crush you. And that’s what happens to a lot of my kids guys.
So I love
Clance Laylor: like this whole fat hard and fast thing is coming back. I love B Ruby’s mentality. Of course, skill is key. Don’t get me, I am not saying skill ain’t important.
But what I feel they’re taking out at hockey is that hard nose. Look at Canadian hockey now, America’s take. Come on now.
Mike Rapson: It’s pussies now.
Clance Laylor: It’s different. The rugged boys that used to come in my gym. Like the Vitals, the I trained all the Sioux bands. Jordan Subban, man, like these guys are the goalie, right?
No, that Malcolm is a goalie. And then I train and then Jordan’s probably one of the strongest squatters in my gym. A little monster, right? But there’s a story, he should be in the NHL, but they just fed his nonsense with, oh, you gotta. You got to work on your skill. He’s probably one of the skilled players.
My point is strength is important, not to take away speed because if you don’t have the durability, if you don’t have this the strength, you’re not going to be
Mike Rapson: able to withstand the forces of the game. Yeah. We’ll look at Sydney Crosby, right? He’s fucking, is he’s just 39 or 40 or right around there.
You seen the size of that guy’s fucking legs. Legs feed the wolf, baby. Legs feed
Clance Laylor: the wolf, baby!
Mike Rapson: One of the guys at my work, I remember he was bitching about his upper body. I’m like, start squatting. He’s what the fuck are you talking about? I’m like, start squatting, your arms will get bigger. He’s what the fuck are you talking about?
I’m like, no seriously, squat more, your arms will get fucking bigger. It’s just science. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the majority of your testosterone come from your fucking legs? Am I making that up? Amen. A man who knows
Clance Laylor: what he’s talking about. I tell my athletes, they hate me because yo, in my gym you squat four times a week, bro.
Mike Rapson: Yes.
Clance Laylor: That’s it.
Mike Rapson: It’s sexy now.
Clance Laylor: You like to
Mike Rapson: squat.
Clance Laylor: I don’t even know if it’s sexy. I’m in my own little world. So I’m out of my little world. That’s why they keep me cage in my little world. You see how excited I get. I want to come to your gym. But listen, man, we squat. The athletes squat four times a week. Once you get to my daughter’s squats, 15 times a week or more, 15, is that a
Mike Rapson: mix of back front squad?
Clance Laylor: Yeah. It makes a back front. No. Just squats. That’s nothing else. Okay. 15. So don’t like 15. My six year old, my eight year old and my 11 year old right now, squat seven days a week, every day. Legs feed the wolf. And that’s what I’m trying to say. Just look at Crosby.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Look at Bill Jackson. Yeah. You, the, every, the Mike, and I credit this to my coach, my mentor, Pia Wah, right?
Cause I started working with a lot of hockey players, and I go, Pia, what should I really work on? I’m new, I’m green what should I, he goes, legs. Yeah. Get the, cause the foundation is legs. Cause when you have strong legs, you’re hard to move, you’re center of foundation. When you have a big body weak legs.
You need to
Mike Rapson: tap over. It’s physics. It looks goofy. And you look goofy. Yeah, those gym guys that are, their necks are the size of my quads, but their legs. But chill with that, man. It’s hard for me to grow my legs. We are on YouTube, so if you’re watching YouTube, this is fucking jacked. I gotta, like Definitely now the biggest guy, it’s been on the pod.
No, I’m getting over, man. No. Fuck
Clance Laylor: you fact. But yeah, man, it’s, I’m so happy you said it. You
Mike Rapson: don’t hear it. Legs are legs. Legs are king. That’s why I love CrossFit. A lot of it I like the fact that they forced me to do a wad like out of the day where I’m forced to do some cardio. All right.
Cause I, I wouldn’t do it unless I went to the gym. I used to have a home gym. I would rather sit on my couch or the gym. We lift heavy generally most days. And then you do a fucking workout where you’re skipping. And I, like I told you, I fucking, I sprained my fuck. And I don’t fucking stretch properly, but yeah, no fucking squatting.
And until I went to a CrossFit gym in my junior hockey days, growing up, I never squatted. I did not have direct. I wish I would have fucking known you.
Clance Laylor: I love while these, I, okay, excuse I was told not to attack people. I know my cause anyway, these clowns, man, they get on that.
I love CrossFit because these clowns they rag on class. They rag on CrossFit. You know what CrossFit does really well. And I’ll tell you what they do really bad. CrossFit makes you train your legs, your quads, your glutes. And your lower back, and so a lot of these other that they do that really well.
What CrossFit does not do well is teach Olympic lifts. Most cross CrossFit programs because I’m a high level Olympic coach. So I know. So what? And that’s why a lot of times CrossFit has so many injuries. Like the joke in the industry is like I talked to many of these physios. If there’s a CrossFit Jim, they just parked their they just parked their practice right beside it.
Hey, no joke! And they’re in there actually. Yeah, that’s it. They’re
Mike Rapson: in the CrossFit gym. Yeah. Real talk. Real talk. A lot of, definitely, I’ve been coached in like my previous CrossFit gym. Coaching is definitely concerning because Jen would come and I would see certain coaches and I’m like, oof. I don’t want that one teaching Jen today, right?
Same thing. I coached part time at my gym, but I’m not super confident teaching someone who’s like fresh. Never done a snatch, never done a clean. I, right off, like I, I’m uncomfortable doing it because I’m not a fucking pro. Even when I do it, I fucking pull too early, all this shit. No one knows what I’m talking about right now if you don’t do CrossFit.
Like I said, like you’re, the importance of being trained by the proper coach is fucking massive. Yes. Like it is so important. Yeah,
Clance Laylor: technique is huge because once you lay that technique down, then that’s, and that’s why a lot of, big guys will come into the gym. And I remember I had this old line guy and long hair and I was telling him to just slow down CFL guy and I was telling him, yo, bro, slow down.
And he, I just see him keep loading the weight, but the technique is horrible. Yeah. And I just see him keep loading the weight and I just went fucking crazy. Like I don’t fuck how big you are, bro. This is my gym. I tell you, stop putting on the fucking weight. Don’t put the fucking weight on. You know why I’m like that?
Because you’re going to get hurt.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And when you get hurt it affects,
Mike Rapson: it looks bad.
Clance Laylor: That looks bad.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: So what I did I let him know because we’re, cause we got to break down a knife and I have empathy for a lot of guys because they come in, they see these little girls moving with more weight than they can and like then these little pencil neck geeks are moving somewhere and they’re like, what the fuck?
Fuck this shit. This is this fucking guy. Oh, sorry. Yeah. So they get a little crazy with that. So I sat down and I broke it down for him like this is important. This is why your tissues need to be. It’s like when you train a short range of motion for a long period of time, it’s like your tissues are mummified.
It’s like the, your everything is caked up. So we’ve got to break that up and get you loose. It’s like going stretching with Kayla. Like she does it. Yeah, you gotta, but the whole thing is stretching. and strengthening at the same time. That is key. That’s what we do in space and mobility.
And then once you get that full range of motion and then you just start loading it with kids, they should have that. And the sad thing now, a lot of kids coming in, they can’t even, they can’t even do a quarter squat, half squat. It’s at such a young age.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, I think I told you on the phone. Blake’s team was fucking around.
So I coached both my kids or I helped coach both of my kids and they’re fucking around. So naturally you either make them do suicides or you make them do some pushups. Blake was the only one that could do push ups. Wow. Because we make him do it here. Not every day. We’re not seven day weakers, but not one other fucking kid out of fifteen, sixteen kids only one could do a push up.
A push up. Okay, so what do you think the ramifications of that is? Oh, fuck, man, horrible, like you said, no foundation, forget about legs, but just the foundation of being, it’s crazy because parents, especially in this town in Canada, the money they’ll pump into hockey, just fucking all these monkey things you can buy from Canadian Tire that will help you do things, these goofy little things you can buy for hockey, but like you said, foundationally, weak things break, man.
Clance Laylor: Yeah. Weak things break. Yeah. You train like glass, you’re going to break like glass. Yeah. And the easiest thing to do is to make your kid durable, is to just do bodyweight exercise at home. Get a chin up bar. I tell this all the time. Let them rep out chin ups. One, a negative. They can start it or not. A kid at, when you’re at 11 years old, you should be doing at least 12 chin ups and at least 50 push ups.
Unbroken, right? Unbroken. Yeah. 12. That is the standard.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: That’s not, I don’t care who, where, that’s my standard.
Mike Rapson: Yes.
Clance Laylor: For my gym. And that’s how, and my kids adhere to that.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: My kid is not, he can do 13 on the rings and he’s 8 years old.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: He’s not a gymnast or nothing. But you, but the point that I emphasize that is because you wonder why these kids are getting hurt.
And no one’s even touching them. Yeah. A lot of non contact injuries. Yeah. When did you notice this change? So 30 years of training, you got your gym for 15, 20 years. You know what I noticed? Was there a time period that like, you’re like, ah, it was then when kids became weak. I didn’t really work with a lot of kids when I started.
I actually started with some task force guys. So I was working with some task force guys in Philadelphia. So I was thrown right into, which I wasn’t really a certified guy at the time. I used to train by my own. This guy liked how I trained, so I trained with him. And I didn’t know, and he goes, I got him a lot of good results, just him working.
And he goes, man, could you train a bunch of, could you train a bunch of my brothers? They call themselves brothers, right? So these eight type, cause we get I’m aggressive and we getting at it. And they were like, like my crew, like they were so jacked and Like whatever. So when I came over to personal training, it was a different world for me.
Yeah. I
Clance Laylor: was training this lady one time. She’s on the doing rolls in the morning.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And all of a sudden I see her, she started shaking and her eyes start rolling. I pick her up and I’m running to the fitness room, health . So all the, the CPR and everything I learned went out the window, bro.
I like, come on now. I didn’t, I understand like I’m having these guys throw up some big weight and I’m, pushing him hard and this lady’s doing two pounds and passes out like. I was about to quit like there’s no way, wait my, there’s a guy named Daryl is a, he’s a football player, ex CFL guy.
He goes, clients, calm down, calm, give her some grape juice. She came back and gave her some grape juice. She came back. She came back. I said, after that, everybody ate breakfast, right? Everybody had to eat breakfast. So for me, my like change into dealing with I would say Civilians and then I started, I always passion was to work with athletes.
I just I was lucky enough to work with like guys like from who are like 16. . Oh yeah. But actually, Sue pks, oh, sorry. Pks band’s mom. Sorry. Pks band’s. Mom said clan she noticed that there’s a gap with the kids and she said, clan, she gotta work with these kids. Yeah. ’cause she noticed, she said the training is horrible.
So that was about 10 years ago. And what I noticed 10 years ago is bad and it’s only getting worse.
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: so when you say kids can come in and they’re playing, their parents are pouring all this money for hockey or soccer and they can’t do a push up. That’s on the parents, man.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: I, so I tell them that’s on the parents.
I say, you don’t need me. You don’t need a gym to be doing these basic things.
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: that shit you can do at home. I give, a lot of times I refuse a lot of clients. I just tell them to listen. You got, get to these basics and then you can come work on them.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And then they realize I’m not just trying to take their money.
I’m really looking out because you, these kids have to get stronger. The stronger they get, the more they can deal with the environment of their game. Because they are running, they are stopping, they’re turning. Remember, non contact injuries has been up like 26 percent in the last 5 years. Over the last 20 years!
ACL injuries for the ACL surgeries for kids from six to 18 years old. Guess the percentage of surgeries
Mike Rapson: are 58%, bro. Yeah, that’s actually one of the notes I wrote down from your site. That’s criminal. That’s to think of a 6-year-old. You have a 10-year-old blowing an ACL that is insane. And that is that just from like violent stops and starts, that wouldn’t be from, or like these are non-contact.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Most injured. Check out the Achilles tendon ruptures are going up. In baseball. There’s no contact in baseball.
Mike Rapson: No.
Clance Laylor: And these guys are rupturing ACL. Sorry, not ACL. They’re rupturing ACL, but they’re rupturing Achilles tendon, which is the strongest tendon in the human body.
Mike Rapson: The grossest injury.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Come on, man. Yeah. It’s like their bodies are rot. Their joints are rottening. With the training is so bad that their joints are rotting. You use it or use it, you use it or you lose it.
Mike Rapson: Yeah. So what’s the percentage you think of, maybe it’s really hard to do this for your industry or even say, what are the percentages of finding someone that actually knows what the fuck they’re doing and how do you.
I honestly wouldn’t know I’ve been coached by a bunch of people at my gyms. Again, I only do it part time just to help out more than anything. And I love CrossFit and I love seeing people get better. But again fuck, how do you know if you’re getting the right training? How the fuck do you pick a, how do you
Clance Laylor: pick a coach?
Here’s a key, some key words I have to tell people. When a coach tells you don’t squat below parallel. Bye. Okay. Don’t, make sure your knees don’t go over your toe. Bye. I’ve never heard that one actually. Yeah, make sure your knees don’t go over your toe. That’s huge. And make sure your knees don’t go over you too.
That’s huge in bodybuilding. Maybe I’m outdating myself now, but
Mike Rapson: that would be like severe
Clance Laylor: lack of ankle mobility. Would it not? Yeah, for sure. So and you’re and you are exaggerating Achilles tendon ruptures and hamstring tears. Yeah.
Which is predominant in soccer like over the last 25 years. hamstring ruptures has gone up the a hamstring injuries in soccer and then, and the MLB are gone up exponentially.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Like one, at least one athlete per team has a c season ending hamstring rupture. That’s a seizing ending hamstring injury rupture.
That means you’re out for the season. That means a complete tear off the bone, right? Yeah. Not a strain. Tear off the bone and these things are participated or what’s the word I’m looking at there. They are, they’re caused by years and years of training to full range of motion.
That’s one of it because it’s, that’s how important it is.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And so when you. When you have your ankle has to be mobile, the mobility, the ankle is key. So if the knee cannot go forward over that ankle, that’s a problem. So you’re short in those tissues. So think of it just like we’re using an acid bad analogy.
So you’re training in the short range of motion for all these times. So remember, your tissues are elastic. All of a sudden, boom, you’re asking that to go. You’re asking your hamstring to what happens in sprint speed work or sprinting to go to that full range at high velocities. What do you think is going to come?
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: That bicep performer rips right off that bone, boy, like nothing.
Mike Rapson: Yeah. And most of these are when they’re sprinting the first base in baseball, right? When you see them pull up, right? As soon as they start to stand yeah. Pull up ah, right? It’s, you’re right. It’s actually wild when you think about it, but it’d be years and years of incorrect.
Years and years of
Clance Laylor: incorrect training. And when I say I’m training I have a You know, anyway, that’s I don’t want right now. I gotta wait till he gets his money. So before I bring that, but he’s a smart kid, man, and they ain’t messing with him. He’s not going up there and he that’s a problem.
You have a lot of what frustrates me is you have a lot of teams that spend their money on the athletes. And whatever may have you, but they’re not spending their money on high level strength and conditioning coaches that know what that know exactly what they’re doing. And because a lot of these high level pro athletes are getting baby.
Like all this in NBA where they have what’s that thing called again? I’m losing my, where they sit out for a few games. Oh, fuck. That’s the basketball thing. Yeah, oh,
Mike Rapson: fuck. Kawhi was doing it. Kawhi
Clance Laylor: and all that nonsense, man. Although we brought
Mike Rapson: him a championship. I really liked him.
Yeah, I like Kawhi. Fuck. Yeah. What the fuck? Maintenance, not maintenance days, but yeah, I, whatever. I don’t know why I’m drawing a break, but you get what I’m saying. I fucking can’t stand it, especially for the fans, man. Come on now, man. You didn’t want to go gaming if you was in Toronto and not watch Kawhi or not watch fucking whoever?
Clance Laylor: Yeah, cause these guys are trading like grass and doing a lot of, give me key training and why that frustrates me so much is because my son loves basketball. My son loves watching one of his favorite players is A I is actually his favorite player, but A. I. is not, I love that guy.
Yeah, I love A. I., but A. I. is not playing. So he looks at guys like LeBron. Yeah. So he sees the exercises that LeBron is doing and then he wants to mimic those exercises. But if LeBron’s hurt all the time. And the guys that are around LeBron always hurt because of these gimmicky exercises they do.
A lot of these, you have athletes that are just freaks of nature. They’re going to be pros. It is what it is. But once it started to affect my kid, I called the basketball coach for my kid to say, Listen, man, don’t put my kid on that wall. Let him just be sitting there for five minutes on the wall.
Wall sits. So what is it? Why did I say that? And he actually appreciated that and we had a long conversation and I explained the physiology and the biomechanics because it’s mummifying his tissues right at the ankle and a knee and the hip, right? So stiffening those tissues.
Mike Rapson: So wall sits are bad.
They are bad. You should not do wall sits. I can’t remember the last time I did one, but I know exactly what you’re saying. But they do
Clance Laylor: that, wall sits Are the easiest things to prescribe, right? I’m not saying they’re bad all the time. It’s just that they do it so much. Yeah, and when the we are meant to move and stretch and cut and jump and run and things like that, so going back to like when I was a kid, I’ll tell you, man,
when I was a kid, we had this dog. His name was Buster, and for all you dog lovers out there, I’m a dog lover. I had these two dogs named Kilo and Storm. I love those dogs. They look like wolves. Storm had these eyes, man. But Buster was a mean son of a bitch. It was hit, it, and he, what happened, one day I was actually walking to my friend’s house.
And I just felt something behind me. Turned around, it was Buster. He looked at me. Looked at him. BOOM! I took off because I knew he was coming. So Buster’s gaining on me now, I feel it. BOOM! I jump up on this light pole. He’s there trying to get me, trying to get me, and he was just chill there for a minute.
He ain’t leaving, so I’ll be there for an hour. That’s Buster for you. So that was just our neighbor dog and it was a bunch of guys that he would chase he knew he would actually sit Outside your house waiting for you and some of us he bit and back in those days, Oh, you know what it is. You get your ass.
Then you get and take it to the hospital, right? So that’s what it was. But the funniest thing is we were the fastest kids in the city We got scholarships. We got we were ripping. We are tearing it up that’s how I got to Scarborough Optimist, we were working with Ben and Desi, like we were tearing it up.
And one day I was on the track having a bad track meet, like track practice. And I asked Charlie Francis, which was Ben’s coach, how can I get faster? And he said, run faster. I thought he was just blowing me off. I was like, man, what kind of fucking question is that, like answer is that, I was pretty annoyed because I’m a hardworking kid. But as I got into the strength game, it made a lot of sense. The kids who get fast, the kids who are durable, you have to get your body used to running at high intensities as frequently as possible. Now, what are the kids doing now? Fucking playing games and watching TV, playing games, watching TV.
So their muscles are not being toned. That’s called general physical preparation. So check it out. Summertime, wintertime, and wintertime we’re outside on a hill doing whatever, tobogganing and doing snow fights and, jumping, whatever. And then the summertime we’re playing tag and you’re
Mike Rapson: moving,
Clance Laylor: we’re moving and raising hell doing all kinds of stuff all day.
Yeah, you come in for a little bite and you’re right back out. There’s no general physical preparation So the gyms have to prepare that general physical preparation That means your ligaments, tendons, fascias, all those things at a young age have to be toned to high velocity work
Yeah,
Mike Rapson: how long do you think it takes to correct something like this?
So say you get a 15 year old who hits your gym for the first time and you can tell they’ve been a lazy fuck their whole lives because they have lazy parents Is it super difficult to train someone like that out of those bad habits, but more just like Stretching out their muscles, stretching out their tenants, shit like that.
Clance Laylor: That’s a very good question. It depends because it depends what animal they are because they might have that animal inside there. When I say the animal, they, you have some real strong or real athletic kids that just haven’t been exposed to certain things. So that, so the activities that we expose you to are going to get, is going to get that animal out there.
So those real kids who are like, really weak and so on and so forth. They may take a time. But to get better we’ll say it two to three months, for athlete to really get the best out of our system, it takes three years later. So three off seasons are like say talking for hockey.
Now, I’ll see you anywhere from 12 to 16 weeks. Okay. So because by year three, you’re an animal. Yeah. Like you’re just, you’re strong, you’re powerful, you, your durability is crazy and your work capacity is insane, right? Because it builds off of that. And so it all depends on, and what’s the big thing about us is that my job, the system is hard because you can’t beat it.
It’s just self it’s called athlete activation system and it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. I thought the stronger you are, right? The stronger you are, the harder it’s going to be right. And there’s only two ways to get stronger. Like just to cut all the nonsense is to. Is intensity and volume. So you got to lift heavy weight and you got to lift a lot of it
to
Clance Laylor: keep it simple.
And what we do the same. We do that in the same week, every week, but we build that foundation.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Okay. So based on good technique and so on and so forth. So it all depends. Cause I had some kids like all of a sudden you just turn around like what? Where the hell who’s that? Yeah, who’s that?
And that makes me happy, man. I use some kids like and they just love it because once you get them strong, they get more confident.
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: they get more confident. They, they’re teenagers and probably start getting more girls or looking at whatever it is more confident, man. Or, for us, we’re proud of getting girls strong.
Like we get a lot, we have a lot of strong females in our gym. And so it’s fucking
Mike Rapson: awesome. I love seeing that shit. Like my daughter I just want her to be strong as shit and be able to handle herself. Yeah. What’s it like coaching and training your daughter to that level?
Hey, yeah, that’s gotta be I could imagine like It’s just so fucking cool. But at the same time like I could see fucking like I could just see it
All right. You know what man?
Mike Rapson: i’m actually lucky. Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Yeah. I’m like, that’s so good. Is she Coaches will look like a coach. You’ll say, man, how do you like?
My daughter doesn’t even want them to want to walk. My daughter doesn’t even want to talk to me. How the hell you coaching your daughter? And I say, I’m lucky. What’s your first name? Her name is Maya. Maya Layla. So Commonwealth champion 2002. 2022 should have went to the Olympics is 2020, but the Tokyo, COVID bullshit and some some points nonsense, but that’s another story.
But the thing, the main thing is, why am I like, she hates to lose and so I can’t teach that. So because she hates to lose, she’s willing to do the work. Yeah, but she doesn’t like to work, but she, her motivation is to, if you beat her once, you ain’t going, it’s a problem like she’s coming back. I remember we went to this training camp in Quebec.
And cause my mentor is Pierre Roy. And, so my daughter’s starting to get into weightlifting I’m like, okay. So I, two, two girls are in weightlifting. So TMI. Okay, they’re getting serious. And and I need help. So I brought him to Quebec. And man, I never seen so much strong girls in my life.
And my daughter’s my, they were getting their ass kicked, like handed to them. Beat down, just because they’re in their own little bubble. Now, Quebec, if Quebec, they don’t play around. They’re serious in their sports and athletic. And Pierre, look, I said she needs a lot of work.
I don’t know. Clients. He says, I don’t know, but let me tell you my kid next year. They came next year. We came back to the camp. Pure is he could, he loves my daughter. So he’s my he’s my mentor, man. He’s a Godfather of lifting. He was a, he was the coach who coached one of the, I think first Olympic medalists in Canada.
I can’t Jacques Demers, I believe bronze medalist years ago. So I Olympic lifting. So he taught me so much and He taught me so much. And And He was the guy who actually Taught Charles Poliquin Who was my, also my mentor But Charles Poliquin taught There’s a popular guy in hockey What’s his name?
Gary Roberts. Who brought back Gary Roberts The guy who
Mike Rapson: brought back Gary Roberts is the guy Who taught me. So when you say brought him back, like from his back injury? From his back injury, years
Clance Laylor: ago. Yeah, who was Gary Roberts coach? Charles Poliquin. That’s the family tree. So I learned from Charles Poliquin.
Brilliant dude. But the guy who taught Charles a lot in the strength game is the guy that I worked with for years. And he’s like a father to me. Who really taught me everything. Who basically made the gym what it is today, made PK what it is today, so I give homage to learning and that mentorship, and I just create, still creating some monsters, but I lost where I’m at but that Your daughter. Yeah, sorry. Maya He helped me with Maya so much in which I took that and then help so many other athletes. So Maya is like the core. Maya and Kia are like a core of a lot of the things that happened in my gym in terms of foundation, because there’s a lot of stuff I took.
And that’s how we’ve developed so many athletes in baseball, football track and field. You names yeah. So it’s amazing. Maya, back to Maya. Yeah, she don’t like to lose, bro. So Pierre, when he came back and saw her, he like, he fell in love. Because what impressed him is her mental she got her ass beat, but there’s no way she’s showing up in that bad of shape again.
You can’t really she has pride.
So
Clance Laylor: she’s going to do the work. And that’s Maya. There’s times where the training is so brutal. I remember getting ready for the Pan Am Games. And it was her first session in the morning, sometimes that, you’re trying to be a coach, but that dad gets involved, and it was just, I knew it was, it’s a grind. We’ve been pounding for two weeks, no days off and I can, you see how she’s moving slow and I just seen her start to cry, tear up and I’m saying, it’s okay, take the rest of the day off. She goes, she jumped up, got a big like a door you can jump out of the back.
She didn’t say anything. She jumped out, walked around the building for a little bit, came back. She goes, no daddy, I’ll just, I’m going to come back and train. No, I’m not taking day. And boy. I’ll never forget. She tore up that gym.
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: just that. You know what I’m saying? It’s that hard. She just she ain’t stopping bro She ain’t and you can’t teach that okay.
I’ll take the day off. I’m tired. Remember this is two weeks of training three two three two so three sessions day one two sessions Day two, three sessions, day one, that’s international. That’s Olympic caliber training right there. Fuck. At high intensities, bro. We’re talking about 80 percent intensities and up.
That’s crazy. You like cold tubbing between these sessions? No, no cold tubbing. No? I try cold tubbing and because it does make you feel good, but the problem with that is it reduces inflammation too fast. So you need to inflammation is good for healing after stress. Okay. Trauma. Alright. So you gotta be careful not to flush out, get rid of the information too quick.
Mike Rapson: So cold tubbing post workout,
Clance Laylor: bad idea.
Mike Rapson: Ish. Ish, listen. A lot of times, ish. I cold tub after a sauna. Yeah. I’m not a fucking psycho. Yeah. I cold tub post sauna. Yeah, what,
Clance Laylor: cause the problem with this I’ve learned over the years. Psychology, psychologically, psychological things are important for the athlete.
So if I see an athlete thriving on cold tubbing, I leave it alone. Okay. Physiologically, I know there might be some issues, but hey bro, if you’re thriving and we don’t need that high level of whatever, wherever you I’m good, but if it’s getting in the way to our goal, you got to let it go. So that’s like how I, so I wouldn’t say it’s bad.
Because some people love cold, but they feel great and feeling great is important. Yeah. For confidence. Yeah. I like the mental fuck of it. Yeah. Where you’re in here fuck, this fucking hurts. Yeah. And it’s, yeah. I’m telling you that cold tub is for the birds Boy, ,
Mike Rapson: I,
Clance Laylor: I hate that cold man. I remember I was doing cold showers for
Mike Rapson: worse than cold tubs.
I think those are worse. Yeah. Yeah. I fucking hate those.
Clance Laylor: I was dying, man. For I did it. It was Kayla, man. Kayla got me the 75 hard thing. I got her yesterday. You got her? Okay, you’re the culprit. I’m a competitor, man. I did the 75 hard. That wasn’t hard because I love working out and love reading. That was easy.
But the second phase, with that cold tub, bro. You know how many times I had to, I failed so many times, but I finally got it. There was a phase one, phase two, it was that he has some, that 75 hard that he’s got something there. Cause for me, it was like the connection with my family, bring my wife on a walk, bring my kids.
That was the most powerful thing for me. Cause you know, I work out. It’s like working out for me is like brushing my teeth. Reading is I’m an avid reader, right? And I know there’s other stuff for business, but I wish business was help. But I think the fam, cause I got my, I got the whole crew on it.
Our whole family was like, yo, I’m going outside. Y’all come with me or.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, man. Yeah. No, that was huge for us too. Actually, we would do, even if it was raining. Cause if you don’t walk, you fail. Yeah. Yeah. So we would do family walks in the fucking rain. Yeah. I just forced them to go. Yeah. But yeah, I love that it’s good for a reset, 75 hard.
If you’re not a gym person dude, before 75 hard, the amount of books I read in my life would probably equal zero. I cheated my way through high school, but I fucking ruined school. Coded school. But like I, if I read a book, the books I would read were. Motivational, like guys that went to war and those stories would translate into their business and then translate into not being a lazy fuck and then translating into motivational type stuff.
I can read those. Yeah. Yeah. I’m actually pumped to read your book. Dominate. Dominate. They can’t ignore you.
Clance Laylor: Yeah. Yeah. I read I was just frustrated with all the gimmicks, but a lot of, I’ve been getting a lot of, a lot of executives love it. It’s simple, easy read. And it’s just. Basic things that I’ve seen mental toughness and just get a lot, a lot of gimmicks and bullshit out there.
But so a lot of I was surprised at the, the love I got from that book. What I was going to say is I don’t know, I just, there’s something just. My mind is jumping all over the place. It’s all good. One thing
Mike Rapson: you actually said, maybe it’ll help you ring a bell. Was it, is it hard to go from trainer to father?
Yeah. So I was watching the video of Maya. Mia? Maya? Maya. She did the clean and jerk and then the snatch and it was in a competition and you’re obviously off to the side. Yeah. As a dad bro, when my daughter scored her first goal. I’m fucking tears, bro. I can’t hold myself together. Any other fucking guys.
But dude, the father, I can’t, there’s just something emotional about it. Like I would have a hard time like, cause I coached them both, but if they do something good, dude, I fucking get goosebumps. I’m smiling. I’m like, I’m not a coach. I’m a fucking dad. Yo, check
Clance Laylor: this out. You’re gonna laugh. So when they got into weightlifting, I didn’t want no part of it.
So I found a coach for them, right? Because they want to get strong. So okay. But it was just Maya at first, she got into it, and then her sister got into it, because it makes them, girls, they want to look good and be in shape. So when Maya started, when they started lifting, I’m just a spectator, bro.
You remember the
you remember, what is it Achilles? Like the movie? The movie Achilles. Oh yeah. And then Achilles pacing outside.
Clance Laylor: Hector! Yes. That was me. I’d be, yo, ay, no joke. I’d be in like, Hector!
Mike Rapson: Troy, that’s one of my favorite movies. Troy!
Clance Laylor: And she, because we had that energy. My girls are like, alpha.
Like it’s funny, right? They’re like, grrr. Like very polite, very respectful, but they got that line. Which I love, right? And I just get this So I’ll be yelling, My ass! And everybody, and this is a different sport where you’re not allowed to scream or yell. So everybody hated my ass.
I totally forgot about that. Yeah. Talk about goosebumps. And, and the first time she went to the nationals when she was 16 junior nationals, I seen some girls from I think they’re Manitoba or something. I see them lifting all this weight and I go, My baby’s gotta go against these girls?
I couldn’t believe the amount of weight that I seen these females lift, bro. Or throw over their head.
So it opened my world to To a different, which is a good thing for my gym. And then then I just got on my horse and we went to work. I’ll tell you a very powerful, we went to 2014 Kaza Russia, and this was her first world championships, right? So she’s making waves now. Everybody knows who she is.
And. First world championships and man, I’ve never seen so many strong females or people in my life. These are kids like juniors. Yeah. It was blowing my mind. I was in that training hall every day. Just watching the Chinese, watching the Egyptians, watching the Colombians, watching the Russians. And then Long story short, She just didn’t feel right.
One thing about me, I knew how to get people strong. The strength game is my thing. And she goes, Daddy, I don’t feel like something’s off. I don’t feel strong. Cause the coach, he’s an old school coach with her, and he did the old school training, which, cause I used to train her in the background.
Just did, kept her, did her strong. I left him in the weightlifting, but I used to train him. He didn’t know about it, right? And And she said, Daddy I don’t feel like I don’t feel like myself. So we snuck back to the to the thing. And she went heavier with the snatch. That’s the first movement.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Come competition time. So I said, you know what? I don’t this time. I don’t know much about tapering. All right. And so it’s basically getting athlete ready for their competition.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: So she did a snatch, to work up a certain percentage and then, okay, I said, I’m not going to mess with the cleaning jerk.
You should be good now. Guess what? She hit her snatch and bombed out the cleaning jerk. Bombing out means she didn’t get a point. She didn’t get a lift. Bro, that ride back on that plane from Kazakhstan, Russia, was one of the most depressing rides in my life. And I looked at her and I said, Because not to even score a lift, you’ve won a lift, but you bombed out. It means you’re, you don’t, there’s no ranking. You’re at the bottom, right? And I said, baby man, you know what it is, right? And I said are you sure you want this? Because you see all these strong girls. She looked me dead in the eye and said, Daddy, I want it.
I get chills right now. I get chills right now because it was on after that, boy. That work she put in man, come on now next year. She terrorized everybody terrorized Canada, went to the world. She got fifth in the world in Poland, 2015. Oh boy. I’m proud. Yeah. Yeah. That big daddy proud. Cause I’m proud of our work ethic.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: She like, if you like, she’s a wolf. If you, she’s cool. Very nice. But if you. If you have a conflict. It’s going to be a conflict like, so that’s how she that she’s not the type of person could be really friends with her competitors that she’s just that if you’re my competitor, she’s not going to do her best.
If you were friends, she has to not like you, which helps, so I just, that’s the easy way to put it. And it’s funny going through the different psychological. It doesn’t mean she hates you. It’s just that right now. It’s it is what it is.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, it’s almost an excuse to, hate your, like I fought guys in hockey during the game and then we watched the rest of the game together because we’re kicked out of the game.
Yeah. But on the ice, you fucking want to punch him right in the face.
Clance Laylor: But not everyone has that switch.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Everyone, she, everyone doesn’t have that switch. So if she really doesn’t like you. That’s when she does her best. ’cause there’s some competitors I can track the records that she’s broke with certain competitors that she doesn’t like from other countries or it’s crazy.
Like it’s insane. Like she just gets to another level.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And there’s other athletes that I know that are like that pk, he works himself up into a frenzy.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Yeah. You tell him he can’t. And I think that’s just been in his life. Everybody’s telling him he can’t. You can’t do this, you can’t do that.
Boy, you want to get him going? That’s what it is. Do you think that was
Mike Rapson: some of it because of where he grew up? So you told me you’re not from here in the foreign fucking Rexdale, so if you’re not from around here, that’s a fucking tough fucking area to grow up in. For sure, exactly. There’s nothing handed to you there.
There’s nothing. Zero fucking chance. It’s the opposite of handed to you. Yeah,
Clance Laylor: exactly. But his parents did a good job. Kept them busy. Good. Kept them busy. Kept them, cause they’re teachers, so they had summers off. Okay. Perfect. And what his dad was a teacher, no his mom, I think his mom worked in a bank.
But dad just kept him busy and that’s important, you know what I mean? And that’s where a lot of that. Hey, man, I like those sneakers. That’s that’s what it is. Yeah. Yeah. And you where did you grow up again? I grew up in Jane Shepard. Okay, Jane Shepard area. So good times. Yeah. So it’s we fight.
We fought every day and we fought like, yeah, it’s just part of life. And fighting was I’m I remember and my dad. So I remember. I’m going to there’s so many fights, but this one that really changed my life was this Italian kid it’s a little short kid I’m walking to school and He’s like a little bully, little bully and We got into a fight, right?
And I Don’t know. What about that fight? I Lost that fight But that switch, I went back at him the next day and I went back at him the other day and I went back and I kept coming back at him and he bro, hold up and ever since that day, that’s where I got my confidence and I realized that mental strength, like I just don’t give up.
So they knew they, everybody knew if you want to fight with clients, it’s not going to, if you win, you’re going to have to win every day. So as long as I can walk or crawl and it was just, I don’t know what it was, but it was, and we became good
Mike Rapson: friends.
Clance Laylor: It’s
Mike Rapson: funny how that happens with boys. Yeah. Yeah.
Isn’t that fucking funny? We became good friends and he, and talk about calisthenics and stuff like this. This guy could do all kinds of crazy walk on his hands and, do chin ups with his legs, straight and roll about. He was insane. His core, like strength was crazy. And then he had a, I remember these things vividly.
Clance Laylor: Like he was a block. Yeah. Yeah. I tell you, kid, I wonder what happened to him now. What’s up with him now? Good guy.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, that’s fucking wild area to grow up in. That’s for sure. Even if you got a good family core It’s still a fucking like talking upstairs. That’s a tough area, man
Clance Laylor: Yeah, you have to if you don’t have a reputation for defending yourself The wolves will feed on you and you have you learn really quick That You, that’s what it is because, and my dad was the type of dad.
If I lost a fight, I’m in trouble. So I’m not only get my ass kicked outside when I get home and I tell him, you don’t care if you fight, he just doesn’t want you to lose and getting older, I know why he did it. It’s because he want, he understands that, yo man, it’s a man’s world, man. You got to stand up for yourself and you got to fight for yourself, which gave me the determination to drive, to focus, whatever I focus on, I’m pretty locked jaw.
And I was like, I’m a put me with lock jaw. I work hard at it. I am determined. I’m not going to back up. I just keep coming. I keep coming and I my dad’s a hard worker, a farmer type, hardworking guy. And I credit that to him, and that’s why I try to put it and that’s what I put into my kids.
You know what I mean? I never spanked my kids, never laid hands on them. But but back in the day, I get my ass whooped. Oh
Mike Rapson: yeah, I
Clance Laylor: got a wooden
Mike Rapson: spoon. You grew up in the 80s or
Clance Laylor: 90s. You got a wooden spoon on the ass. Yeah. Not to say I wouldn’t, I just never had to. And I appreciate that. My kids respect me.
My kids respect me. And that’s, they don’t. All my kids. I never have a disciplinary problem with my kids and I’m lucky for that because I have two little ones coming up now.
Mike Rapson: I know it was, yeah, they were working out at 7 a. m. This morning. They
Clance Laylor: were working out. Is that at
Mike Rapson: home?
You just get up at home, work out.
Clance Laylor: They work out on their own. Okay. So they’ll because. The main thing is just discipline, right? So they do it every day. I, they have their routines. They hit the bag. They’ll do skipping, push ups, sit ups, squat, snatch things like that. So they work out every day.
And then on the weekends, like on Saturday, I’ll take them to the gym. So they only come to my gym like once a week in the summertime. They’re at my gym three times a week and they train twice a day. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So they’ll train. So they’ll, do lift, sprint and then go maybe go do another sport.
They have to do another sport, play basketball, whatever it is. Lunch, do some reading, some educational stuff and they lift again. So that’s how their summer routine is. So they’re not working. They’re not in school. Yeah, they’re at the gym. So they’re at the gym with daddy.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: They don’t, they’re, I said you, they hate me now, but they’ll love me whenever in high, when they’re in high school.
Mike Rapson: Oh, just the presence of walking into a room. Yeah. You notice. Yeah. Someone’s sloppy, out of shape. Unhealthy zero confidence, right? It’s fucking you can feel
Clance Laylor: It’s discipline, man. Yeah, it’s discipline. I think you know, we’re just and that’s why i’m not on them like I just want to know they worked out and I’m sure they mess around and screw around and cut corners, but I test them.
I’ll check you. I’ll see if you guys are getting stronger. Like I say, Hey, I don’t know. Yeah. So you guys do what you want, right? So I’ll pop in on them sometimes and it warms my heart. One time I was just going to the I was going to actually Quebec to go see my mentor up here and I got stuck, missed my flight because we got stuck in a plane.
And so I had to head back home. Sorry, I missed my flight because we got stuck in traffic. Sometimes I talk so fast. It’s all good. One thing in a word. Missed my flight because we got stuck in traffic. Uber took the wrong guy. I don’t know. I don’t understand. You’re supposed to know.
Really blew my mind. Good thing I got reimbursed for that flight. I was really pissed. Got home. And So they, my, my wife, they didn’t expect me to be home. When I opened the door. I hear them working out downstairs. Yeah, I went down. I was just like, okay, right? So it just it made me happy to know that, no one has to, they just stick into the plan.
Yeah. And how old are those two again?
Mike Rapson: Eight and 11. Yeah. All right. What’s so what’s Maya doing now? Like post career? She’s coaching.
Clance Laylor: She just recently. I don’t know if she’s fully retired. Maybe she get the bug and she didn’t really officially say, but she’s taking a break since the this Olympics that just passed.
And then so she’s coaching and one of her biggest. Frustrations is these kids are whining so much this hurts that I said, welcome to my world shoes. Daddy, how do you do it? Oh, this hurts because sometimes there’s no there’s no like, okay. Is this pain that you can work through?
It’s we’re so like the doctors or the therapists or. Or I don’t know who make, they make these kids so scared of any little nagging, any little thing. So not to say, you got to pay, you have to communicate with the coach, but it’s because this has a little bit of discomfort
that
Clance Laylor: they want to stop or I don’t want to come to the
Mike Rapson: gym.
Yeah, it’s therapy for me. If I don’t go, I’m a fucking mental case. Jen will tell you, she’s Mike’s a fucking prick when he doesn’t go to the movies.
Clance Laylor: Yeah, but it’s the, it’s just the, I’m just talking about the mentality of the kids. Yeah. No, you gotta fight through some discomfort.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, what’s that, what the fuck’s that movie with Denzel? Are you hurtin or are you injured? Fuck, remember the Titans? Remember the Titans yeah. Fuckin yeah, you’re like Denzel. And then fuckin what’s that one player, Petey, fuckin Petey’s having a fuckin a fit, like he walks off the field.
Clance Laylor: Yeah. Are you hurtin or are you injured? I love that. Since you put it up, Football, remember Friday Night Lights? Fuckin great movie. Bro, I was boobie. Ha! When I first watched that movie, I cried. Literally cried, felt that movie in my Soul man Booby. So that was a perfect example of Booby.
You just have these dreams. That movie hit me hard. And then but Friday Lights, Friday Night Lights, man. But yeah, that’s it. Like a lot of these, they, the kids have to learn to distinguish are you hurting or injuries? And there’s some kids. They want it so bad that they don’t tell you anything, right?
We don’t want that either, right? Communication at our gym is optimal, but is optimal. But you got to do the work and we, there’s something called pivot. Like for us, you never, there’s no. It doesn’t I don’t care man. If you’re not if you can walk or crawl come to the gym
Mike Rapson: Yes,
Clance Laylor: like that’s how there’s no days off.
This was one top prospect kid I’m not gonna call his name hockey kid and his mom called me and Mom said oh so and so won’t be in the gym today no. Sorry. She texted me. Everybody’s texting. So text me. Oh, so and so won’t be in the gym today. He’s going to take the day off. I’m like, what?
Take the day off. Remember this is a top prospect and I only have an X amount of time.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And you’re taking a day off. I go, is he injured? No. I call I go, what’s wrong? Is he all right? Is he sick?
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: No. Is he injured? Okay. No, he just said he saw, I
said
Clance Laylor: yo, get his ass to the gym.
If I will see him in the next hour, don’t come back. Don’t come back. Like straight. And that day, he actually had one of the best sessions he’s ever had. He hit some PRs. I said, how is that? Cause a lot of times, your mind plays tricks on you. You’re tired, you’re sore, because he’s going through an adaptation phase, right?
And a lot of times when you’re going through an adaptation phase for a new level, your body doesn’t want to hit, it’s fighting to get that new level. So it’s begging for that rest or it’s begging for that. And yes, a lot of times rest is warranted. So going to the gym doesn’t mean, hitting your, throwing balls to the wall all the time.
It means just get that blood flow and just do what you can. And a lot of times, those are the days, those dark days or hard days I call them, are those are days where athletes just take off on another level.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And that’s what the, that’s the real sweet science of proper strength and conditioning.
Mike Rapson: Yeah. It’s actually funny you, it reminds me of 6 a. m. So I used to be like a habitual 6 a. m. er at my old gym. And not so much this, I go at 9. 30. But you always think you’ll never hit a PR at 6 in the morning because it’s fucking early. But sometimes you just fucking, that’s the day, 6 in the morning.
That’s the day. You fucking hit a squat PR. Because I always find I’m cold, it’s hard to get the fucking muscles going and shit. But yeah, sometimes it just hits.
Clance Laylor: No, I feel you, man. I get my quirky ass up at 4. 30 and I train at by the time I train at 6am, by the time I get to my gym. Or if I’m not home, I’ll get I’ll train at 5.
And the reason I do that is because I’m at my best. It just sets me right for the next day. And I train 7 days a week. I don’t miss a day. And it’s just more for mental. It makes me feel good. Some days are hard. Some days are a lot. I lift heavy at least once or twice a week, right? Or if, there’s a saying in the gym, get it while it’s hot.
If I’m moving somewhere and I feel it’s good, I’m going for heavy weight, right? And as older you get, it’s important to lift heavy because it helps you. Keep your testosterone, increase your testosterone. Muscle mass is the most important thing for us as we get older. Yeah, man. I lost 200, I got so fat one time, man.
I got to 270 pounds, bro. Come on. No, no lie. I was actually, I was going through a lot of stress in my life. And people, you get to start fooling yourself, like. People don’t hire me because of my look, they hire me because of my brain, right? Which I probably was partially through, but I was drinking, I was eating like shit, I ain’t giving people diet advice, right?
I’m telling you to get the, telling you athletes, cause my goal is always get the athletes lean, get them in good nutritional state, I’m giving, but I’m fucking 270 pounds of big ass belly, right? But I got big chest, big arms, I can move some weight, so listen to what class I sell. It helps cover you a little bit, right?
Yeah. Cover. You’re jacked. You’re jacked. And I’m, yeah. Your shoulders
Mike Rapson: are huge. It hides your belly
Clance Laylor: a bit. It does. Yeah. You right. Exactly. But look what I was so happy one day I just squatted 500 pounds. I saw. I’m happy driving home called, Hey, I sent a video to my sister. Hey sis, what’s up?
You like that 500 party? She goes, bro. Look at your belly.
Yeah, she did. That’s love though. She goes, look at your belly. That doesn’t look, that doesn’t look right. She did not say, bro. I felt that I just, that just made a shift. Yeah. After that I dropped, I, started eating clean. And I did my thing, just did the thing what I do with my athletes. And then I dropped I got to 205.
Shredded, I
Mike Rapson: bet.
Clance Laylor: Good, 205 good little, but I didn’t like to look so skinny. Cause you’re so big, and it took me about eight months. And I like to feel strong. Yeah.
Mike Rapson: It’s a delicate balance. Yeah. I notice it in the face. I don’t, if my face could stay like. They look a little skinny in the cheeks.
I’m just saying, if I hit 210, I look skinny. My face look like I’m on crack or something. But yeah, no, I, it’s funny that you said that when your sister, I did a deadlift competition at my buddy’s gym before it got, again, got shut down because of COVID, but down in Etobicoke. Oh fuck. What was it called?
It’s now 416 tactical. His wife’s a big in the fitness industry, but anyways, I’m there and you got to weigh in for your deadlift. It’s all scored. I get on the scale and I hit 242. I’ve never been that high. Oh, wow. Okay. And I went, oh my fuck. Deadlift is 645 that day, but this, I didn’t care about the 645.
After the thing, I’m like, babe, I weigh 242 fucking pounds. That that to me was like. Stop. That’s, again, drinking, eating, strong as fuck. Yeah. But, fat. Yeah. It’s not cool. If you’re strong as shit but you got titties, it’s less cool. That’s what my sister made clear.
That’s good though. Oh my
god. That’s good
Mike Rapson: though. You got someone that’ll be like,
Clance Laylor: hold you accountable. Yeah. And she’s just Yeah, she’s pretty. That’s my sis for you. She just, she tells you like it is, but you don’t like it at all, man. So yeah she literally that was a big turning point for me and I never got that.
I never, I would go from two 10 to two 20, but I, that was the first and last time I stopped drinking alcohol for forever. I don’t drink now but every now and then I’ll have a little bit. I don’t call that drinking, yeah. And I don’t eat processed foods.
Mike Rapson: Good for you.
Clance Laylor: So every now and then I’ll have a little this, but I have a healthy lifestyle and, and as I get older and people dying of all these diseases and cancer and this and that, it makes you really pay attention to okay, yeah, I want to look good. But the quality of life is more important, right?
Yeah. Yeah, I want to look good and have a good quality of life. Diet, nutrition is
Mike Rapson: king. Yeah, I was actually on the phone with a buddy before you got here. What’s the split? Cause he’s overweight. He’s feeling like shit. He’s tired. He does a couple sets of pushups and then he’s gassed.
And he asked me, what, 80, 20 diet to working out? What’s the proper, cause a lot of people. Don’t focus on diet, right? You can work out seven fucking 14 days a week, right? If your diet’s dog shit, right? You’re how much is that taking away from here?
Clance Laylor: I’m a living example, man. I live in a gym Yeah, but if you eat like shit, guess what your fat is covering all that muscle you got I love working out.
For me, it’s just, it’s not even like I love the mental, whatever. It’s like my church, for example. It’s fucking therapy, brother. It’s therapy. There you go. And so I’m a perfect example. I benched 400 pounds, squat 500. At 40, at what, 48 or 47 years old at that time. That’s fucking strong for someone.
And, but I look like shit. Yeah. So it’s 80 percent diet. Okay. So that’s the number. 80 percent diet, bar none.
Yeah. And
Clance Laylor: 20 percent training. That’s that, and that is the biggest thing. You gotta get your diet tuned in. And once you get your diet tuned in, you’re gonna feel better. You’re gonna feel strong.
You’ll feel more alert. You’re gonna have more energy.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: It’s just cascades into everything else. It’s like putting
Mike Rapson: shitty gas in a car.
Clance Laylor: Yeah, there you go.
Mike Rapson: Yeah. Fuck yeah. What, testosterone working out, what foods? If there’s a couple that you can think about, stay the fuck away from, they’ll just crush you whether it’s your testosterone or whatever and what obviously processed foods, but is there a food out there like that’s like king, like I love steak, I eat steak four days a week that’s so good.
He gonna be
Clance Laylor: like, you gotta eat like a lion, That’s what I tell my, yeah you’re having the broccoli and I said, man, bro, you want to eat like a lion, you gotta, if you want to be a lion, you gotta eat like a lion, you know what I’m saying? Steak is king. But foods stay away from soy, man.
Okay. That increases your
Mike Rapson: estrogen levels. Your titties.
Clance Laylor: Yeah, titties. Exactly. So it lowers your testosterone. But what lowers your testosterone? Big time, man. Alcohol big offender and sugar.
Okay,
Clance Laylor: so those are fuck alcohol, right? Those are the top three. So alcohol is a killer, man.
You don’t realize it, that lowers your testosterone significantly for 48 hours. So imagine those people who are drinking every single day. That means your testosterone levels are never actually recovering. You’re negative. First you’re eating sugar, then you’re drinking all that alcohol, right? And.
You’re eating all the other kinds of shit like, wheat and we’ve got all kinds of chemicals in our wheat and all that stuff. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So, I travel the world, man. And, going to say where have I been? Like, Kazakhstan Russia Chile Ecuador. The food’s over there.
Cleaner. Cleaner. I’m seeing these athletes, right? I’m walking in the in the Yeah, the chow. What do you call it? The Like the cafeteria? Cafeteria. Chow hall. Chow hall. And I know some of these athletes are going to compete in a day or so. And they got these mounds of rice. I’m like, this can’t make, this doesn’t, how does that make sense?
I love rice. Fuck. I’ll never forget that the Colombian team had mounds of rice and then having all these sweets is because the non gmo, the food is being processed. Okay. It you can’t do that. We can’t do that. It’s almost, they’re cheap. Their foods don’t have as much chemicals. That’s why they have better.
Muscle tissue, muscle mass, and so on and so forth. A lot of chemicals we have in our foods are killing. I see a lot of chemicals in our food are killing our athletes, hindering our athletes performance. They can’t get extracted proper nutrients. To build the proper muscle, do the proper functions. I’ve seen it live.
It’s crazy! A lot of athletes that are in certain sports, and they’re trying to, like a sport like weightlifting, who have to cut weight, it’s much harder for athletes because of the shitty foods. Fuck. Alright, on that note, what do you think of RFK? He’s a fucking I love that dude. Yeah, fucking lock up all them. Anyway, It’s a crime like it’s a crime. I not to I’m not like I don’t know but come on, man. Cancers, the chemicals in our food, the water, all that is criminal.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: It’s criminal. They’re killing their kids. They’re shoving that shit down our our our kids, our families. The medical system in to me is broken.
Just make you sick. Get you sick and fat, give you drugs, you die. That’s it. That’s the cycle. Perfect client. Perfect customer. That’s the perfect customer. You gotta take your own, take it upon yourself. Do your own research and get yourself healthy.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: That’s it. The older you get, you can’t, it’s crazy.
I see it over and over.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: It’s sad. And I’m a being in the performance business, my goal is to, is high level performance is not healthy. You understand? Because you’re pushing your bodies to the limit. Therefore I’ll say, I gotta get these kids, they gotta freaking eat, because all of them don’t wanna fucking eat, a good steak or whatever.
I gotta give them whey protein, which is still bullshit, and you gotta give them yeah, man, and you gotta give them some, I give them Frosted Flakes or whatever, which is all shit. But a lot of the scouting report, these kids have to put on masks. And a lot of the parents are not I ask the kid, what do You know, how many eggs do you have for breakfast?
One! My daughter is 11 years old and she has fucking two eggs. And you’re a big fucking 106, 70 pound, 16 year old, and you have one fucking egg for breakfast. That’s a waste
Mike Rapson: of
Clance Laylor: time. Waste of time! You understand my point? I’m full. Like I need the calories for the results. Get the, cause everything is based on results.
But once they Get it? I get them to eat as clean as possible. What is clean for me? No processed food. Absolutely. Never. Anytime. If you eat processed food, that is a treat. No juices. No sugars. No no Minute Maid bullshit. No Minute Maid. No
Mike Rapson: post workout shakes. None of that shit. None of that. Okay you said no way.
So I get fuck, where is it from? New Zealand? It’s from the health food store, New Zealand Way, or some shit. It’s supposed to be a cleaner place.
Clance Laylor: Do you know
Mike Rapson: which one I’m talking about? It’s fucking delicious. So post workout, again, screw me, I’ll have I love milk, eh? Tell me milk’s okay. No. Fuck! You know what my treat at night is?
A glass I’m like a fucking two year old. A glass of milk with natural peanut butter and jam. And a spoon. I’m like a fucking child. Is that bad? Yes. Fuck! Jen’s gonna be laughing. She looks at me like I’m a
Clance Laylor: fucking That’s bad, man. So what’s
Mike Rapson: a good nighttime snack? Like before bed. No milk.
Clance Laylor: Fuck. I’m screwed.
Preferably, preferably you should not be snacking before bed, but if you’re gonna Say it like an hour before.
Mike Rapson: Still no good, eh?
Clance Laylor: Fuck. Say, I’m reaching here, man. I’m so sad. I’m reaching here. Fuck, I love it. Okay, listen. Here’s a This is what you should Before, like You could have nuts. Berries.
Berries.
And now and that’s it. Nuts, berries. So whatever meat you want, nuts or berries. Okay. I know. And if and something green. So that is what I would consider. Okay.
Mike Rapson: Fuck. It’s devastating. Hey,
Clance Laylor: listen, you have your milk, have your whatever, but just to understand there’s consequences, right? And everybody, it’s.
I used to have a client, he’s jacked as shit man, but you can’t take away his fucking Häagen Dazs ice cream at night. Oh yeah? Yeah, that was his thing.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, as long as your voice is Like booze is the biggest thing in my previous career. Booze, probably not just policing, booze is there’s a more of a health kick now of anti booze, which is really nice to see.
And fuck if you told a dude, before they start drinking too much, like Jen and I would indulge in some red wine, probably too often. We’re actually pretty good, we’re on like week seven, no booze. But Good for you, man. Yeah, but if you realized how fucking bad Cause growing up, it was like, drinking’s okay, drive a glass every day, weed is bad.
And then you look at like the healthiest fucking people that I see, they smoke weed, they don’t drink. Again, like I’m not saying go fuck and smoke weed every day, right? But booze is bad. Really bad.
Clance Laylor: It’s so bad. It’s really bad. It’s but I didn’t really know I used to train a lot of executives.
So I was downtown and this guy from this law firm, no, sorry, he was an equity firm. He had a lot of, he had to lose a lot of weight. And I told him, listen man, if it doesn’t run in the field, if it ain’t green, doesn’t swim in an ocean or swim in water, doesn’t fly, don’t fucking eat it. Do that for 21 days.
And he looked at me. So I can’t drink? You can’t fucking drink.
But he goes, clients I can’t do that. He goes, my clients won’t trust me if I don’t drink. And he was serious. Like I was like, holy fuck. So I had to modify. I said, okay, you have a tequila. You can have tequila. No fucking no, no pop or no shop. Nothing. We just straight tequila. So I gave him a tequila drink.
And Why tequila? Because the guave. The how it’s made. It’s not a grains. No grains. Okay. Yeah. And there’s no, and the beer has all this wheat and grains in it, right? So stay away from those because it’s not as estrogenic. Okay. Boost your estrogen. And so wheat grows your titties.
Wheat grows your titties, right?
Mike Rapson: I keep saying that. I don’t know why that’s true. . Yeah. It, that’s what fucking boys hear. Yeah. Yeah. We love titties, but we don’t want titties if we don’t want titties. It’s,
Clance Laylor: we grow your titties too much booze and too much beer. Beers are, and if you’re gonna drink, try to stick with heart.
The hard stuff. And no, no sugar. Yeah, no tracers. Just straight. LAUGHS Yeah, so what is it My favorite to I tell them like tequila and vodka. Okay. There’s another one I can’t remember the other one. I don’t know, I’m drawing a blank. But anyway, I haven’t dealt with Right now I deal with most of these athletes and They’re usually pretty disciplined.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, so that’s actually, I was going to ask you. What’s the biggest hurdle for People, athletes growing up or like making it to the show, quote unquote, right? What’s the hardest thing? Is it friends, broads, boos maybe just like the repetition. Like I was, I played hockey in the summer.
I went to same thing. My mom was a teacher. We went to both my grandparents cottages. I was a spoiled little fucker, but I didn’t touch. My skates, the puck. Nothing. Nothing. Hockey from June to September, nothing. I had a nice break, but that’s not the way it is anymore at all. If you’re off the ice, you ain’t making it right.
Clance Laylor: That’s a
Mike Rapson: very good
Clance Laylor: question. Because just like I said the guys who I’ve trained who’ve made it, they’re on the ice all summer. Yeah. And that’s the way it is. The, I think the biggest thing is, like, how bad you want it. Okay, that’s great. You gotta want it, but then you gotta have a plan.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Okay what is the plan? Write it down. And then, break it down to daily. Like, how do I execute my plan? And, okay, after you, how are you gonna execute? Okay, who are the people gonna be around you to help you execute the plan? because you gotta understand people are gonna come in your lives to take you off your plan.
Yeah. Hey buddy, let’s go. Let’s go party. Hey buddy, let’s go watch this game. Hey, let’s go do this. Hey, let’s go to the cottage. I used to get frustrated all the time. A lot of these, every fucking minute they’re up in the cottage. Okay, do you want to, you said you want to get signed by OHL? Yeah. Team.
But you’re up in the cottage like half of the summer.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, it’s actually funny how many parents I’ve heard say that they either they don’t like baseball. It’s usually baseball or soccer. And even if that’s their kid’s dream. Because it ruins their summer. I’ve heard that a bunch of times from parents and I’m like, Fuuuck.
I didn’t like any summer sports, so I was lucky. We swam I could swim across a lake a mile. At least I could swim and enjoy that sort of athletic shit. Rowing, regattas, racing. But, yeah man, fuckin I’ve heard it a lot from parents that Just because of kind of their selfishness, which is you gotta be soft.
I’m not telling you not to go on a fucking summer vacation. But, yeah, man if my son, ballplayer, lefty, stud, we’ve, we already know that if he loves baseball we hope he does, we ain’t fucking going anywhere.
Clance Laylor: See,
Mike Rapson: we’re fine. He’s a lefty, too. Yeah. But he’s got this natural talent, and again you can see.
I know you can see who’s going to make it if you’re not going to make it and you don’t love it. I’m not paying for it. Like summer camps, you’re fucking thousand bucks a week. Minimum five, 600. But yeah, no I’ve heard a lot of parents too many. I hear say they don’t want to, do something cause it will ruin their summer.
Clance Laylor: Wow. Yeah. Call Suban, PK Suban’s dad. I used to ask him like like why, what made you, uh, why do you make sure the boys are in the gym getting strong all summer? Because he said, he looked at the, what everybody was doing, going to cottages, going to camps, and going through all these skills stuff.
He just said it didn’t make sense to him, because my kids they have skill, yes you got to develop skill and And they realize the importance of getting strong in the summertime because once the season starts, you don’t have the opportunity. Yeah, strong. And that’s the thing. You got to take your summers.
You got it. That’s the importance of offseason He just basically look what everybody was doing because a lot of these camps all they do is they’re just money grabs Oh, we’re gonna scout your kid they just get the kid come do it come for a week to do all these drills all these camps That’s a week out of training or two week out of training two weeks getting strong that adds up every summer So a lot of smart parents that I’ve that work with me I made it to the pros.
That’s why they call me a pro maker because we, I don’t take people’s I’ve dealt with pros, like I should train Josie out the door, I trained NFL guys, whatever. But unless we make a difference to your career and you came to us and got signed, then we’ve made a contribution. So it’s a big difference.
And the guys, the kids who’ve made pro, signed pro contract, millions of dollars are the ones who are training, getting strong, all summer. That’s the dedication.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: That’s the sacrifice. There are You know, the odd ones who are so gifted, so talented, but those are Allen Iversons. There you go.
Mike Rapson: The ones that almost make you laugh because they are such freaks of nature.
Yeah, like Bo Jackson.
Clance Laylor: People think that Bo Jackson didn’t live in the gym. He didn’t like to train. He was a freak. But he’s a prototype of what probably the most gifted, powerful, strong, athletic player in the sport. Snap a bat over his head like nothing. That’s what you strive to be, like a Bo Jackson.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: But you gotta get, you gotta do work. Not just say, hey, you’re gonna be Bo Jackson. Or you’re gonna be this, whatever. And, you have to work towards that. That, that’s why I love Kobe Bryant. . Yeah. Like he was a, he was talented. Plus he was a workhorse.
Mike Rapson: Yes.
Clance Laylor: And for me, that’s what I I’m going back to your question.
What I seen talented kids, I get call what I call champions disease. I never praise the kids accomplishments. I praise the work. Yeah. It’s very important. What happens when you praise, Oh, you wanna go, Oh, you’re gonna win this, Or you win this, Or you won that, Or, What happens is a lot, I’ve seen it.
These kids are afraid to take chances because they’re so used to winning. They’re afraid to lose because they’re so used to winning. And then they get They’re afraid to do the work or perform in the gym because they’re so used to winning.
It starts
Clance Laylor: to affect almost every area of their training.
And so I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: With a
Mike Rapson: lot of these kids. I think it’s almost like they can exhale Oh, I made nah, you made it. It’s fine, I’ll put it right into real estate. If I sell, say I have a big month, like a real big month, my broker’s Mike, fuckin I let up, or I go on a vacation, I leave for a month, and I didn’t keep going.
Something like that, maybe you just get used to it, and you’re fuckin pat on the back, and you take a time out and stop trying this hard, I don’t know.
Clance Laylor: I think it’s a
Mike Rapson: combination of
Clance Laylor: both. I have a saying, wolves eat and they go right back to hunting. I’m fascinated with wolves, I love wolves.
Wolves eat and go right back to hunting. And, My daughter won the Commonwealth Games Championship 2022. Broke two Commonwealth records. It’s a big deal. Next day we’re in the gym training. The director of Weightlifting came to us and said Clance, I should she just won the gold medal and broke two records.
You, this is child abuse. That’s a fucking strong line. Fuck. Jeez. That was crazy. But course you gotta, but that’s what it takes. That’s the level of dedication.
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: there’s no days off. As you take it, but there’s no, look at Michael, Mike Phelps. Like he trained every day.
Michael Phelps. Yeah. Tiger woods. Yeah. Tiger woods. There’s the
Mike Rapson: sacrifice. Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And to keep that sacrifice is like a lot of these kids, you gotta, there’s a kid coming up now. You’re probably going to hear from him soon. He’s a good hockey player. He’s putting, he’s, can we name drop?
No. They keep trying to steal my athletes, man. So I’m going to, so I’m going to keep him, but he, they tried to steal him. He came right back. Anyway, he’s putting he’s he’s putting a stamp on whatever, what it is, but that’s the thing though. Like he is you gotta bring him down and keep him, keep them focused on the work.
You gotta bring him down and keep him focused on the work. That’s very important because if you don’t get, keep them focused on the work. They’re going to try to hide sometimes there’s different factors and then they get lazy or they write too long on their high. It’s crucial. It is such an important part that is so important.
You can’t write. You can’t be too high. You can’t. I’m not saying don’t enjoy it. And the problem is because we’re surrounded with mediocrity. You get what I’m saying? You get a little wind and you’re surrounded, you get that is the, man, that is the problem. I think you’re surrounded, we are surrounded by
Mike Rapson: mediocrity.
Yeah, I think that’s the pussification or whatever, I don’t know, bigger word you want to use for that, but good example actually. Not anymore, but they used to do a skills competition for baseball. So again Blake’s a stud So he’s cleaning up winning all these fucking competitions stations and They get to the last station or the last Awards and there’s a couple kids in the team that haven’t got a ribbon at all.
All right. This is where I saw a hilarious part of Jen come out Blake won that one this last station and They actually completely skipped all the people that had won them all And gave the ribbons first, second, and third to the kids who hadn’t done a fucking thing yet. Get the
Clance Laylor: fuck
Mike Rapson: outta here.
And I start to laugh, cause Blake’s Again, I’m fucking proud of my boy. He’s got like a bunch of firsts, bunch of seconds. Those were the worst he did, crushed everything, did really well. And then these kids who were like, not really doing well, got like a first, second and third ribbon and Jen blurts out, she’s what the fuck?
They can hear a fucking pin drop in him, but that’s just the story of what happened. But that, what those kids just experienced is so devastating in my opinion, to their development. Or bro, you didn’t earn that shit. Not only did you not win, you need to work hard. It’s fake valor.
You didn’t do anything. You didn’t, you went shit. You gotta come back and work harder. Or maybe you don’t like ball. Or maybe you, whatever. But that’s I think that’s what we’re doing in society. They had an award thing at the school the other day where Blake’s getting an award.
And I’m like, babe, do all of these kids get awards? She goes, I don’t know. I think it’s just a couple in it. And I’m, I don’t know, man. People just get fucking awards.
Clance Laylor: Okay. It’s soft. Yeah, it’s very like it’s, I know we’re laughing, but. I think we’re seeing the effects of that.
That’s not, that’s actually not funny. No, I know. Yeah, it is it’s very sad. It’s very upsetting to me. Don’t fucking give my kids something if they didn’t earn it. Period. I don’t give a fuck what it is, bro.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Don’t do it.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And if my kid won that shit, he’s going to get that shit because I would have took that wooden, I would have took that ribbon while the fuck out.
Fuck y’all. Sorry.
Mike Rapson: No,
Clance Laylor: that is wrong. Yeah. You are teaching grown up weak kids. Yeah. In the field, in the office, I have savages as I’ve trained some of the most savage investment bankers in the world. So you better go in there mentally strong, bro.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: You understand what I’m saying?
What are you teaching these children? Everything is a competition.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Everything! Yeah. And you got to, and that is important. You like, you, they have to learn to fight for stuff. Yeah. And that’s the problem. We keep giving and giving. And the kids are not earning.
Mike Rapson: Equity bullshit that they teach.
Clance Laylor: You gotta, kids have to earn.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: If they want something got to earn, I’m not saying there has to become a point, the child get it. They’re young, blah, blah, blah, blah. There’s a point where, okay, you got to start earning this. I want a new PlayStation. Why are you getting a new PlayStation? Like I’m just giving it it’s a root problem and now, and they’re giving everybody a, we’ve been a part participation trophy.
And people are laughing and making out. It’s not funny, man. It’s serious. Yeah. Because you’re actually harming my child.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: I have this guy James Harrison, one of my favorite you should check him out.
Mike Rapson: Who’s that?
Clance Laylor: He’s a football. Football guy. He was a we used to call him Deebo.
Mike Rapson: Harrison. Did he play
Clance Laylor: for the San Diego? Steelers. Steelers. Steelers. I remember he flipped out on it was a big thing way back about them giving his kid a participation trophy. And whatever. But when you really think about it, what are they doing to your child? Setting him up for failure.
Thank you. And that’s not funny.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: That’s not funny. Those things psychologically. Those things have a lot of psych psychological effects. Like I’m a young man. As a young man, I watch my dad busting his ass working hard. That’s still with me psychologically. So what do I, what am I doing? Yeah.
Working hard. He’s earning what he’s earning. It’s, yeah, man, I just feel that a lot of times we make things are cushy already, but you can’t make. There has to be discipline, there has to be sacrifice. And they have to earn it. That’s it. I don’t care. I have a there’s this little girl, her name was Hillary Lloyd.
This, the executive talk about a wolf savage. His, Ron Lloyd was a president of this big investment firm. I probably shouldn’t have said his name, but he’s a big investment firm, like big bank. His house in Hawaii was beside a, I think Carter, whatever his name was great basketball player.
Oh, okay. Vince Carter. Vince Carter yeah. So his daughter, I started training her when she was like 12 years old, bro. She’s a savage. Little, 100 pound, soaking wet, white girl, is a savage. I trained until she was, went to university, played hockey, strong pound for pound. I used to have all these hockey players come into the gym in the summertime, we used to do off season training, coming from Tampa Bay, coming up from all over the country.
And they’re fucking around just half assing it. So I tell Hillary on purpose to come in and train. And Hillary is she don’t talk. She, soon as she enters the gym is she just switches. She’s just putting in that work, lifting that weight, no fucking around. And you just see the energy change.
In the whole gym. Cause no boy likes a little hundred pound little soaking wet white girl. Beat their ass. And lifting some weights. And that’s what she did and I loved it. And she was right there. With just a hard worker, never took anything for granted, and she was rich as fuck. Put her weights away, always on time.
So don’t tell, it’s not what you have, it’s how you were brought up. She was brought up with respect, she was brought up with discipline, she was brought up with a hard work ethic. When she turned about, I think she went to, she got, she went to Princeton. And then and that she got offered a huge she went to play hockey in Princeton and she got a huge investment bank because women hockey is not really going anywhere.
It’s not as big. I remember her father took me, brought me to the office of men cause she was like, I traded for years. She was almost like my daughter, like at the summer in the gym in the summer, four days a week, never miss a way. And this was for like how many years since she was 12 years old. And he goes, Clarence, you got to help me.
She has a big, uh, opportunity to come in and she’s going to do an intern internship in this investment bank in the UK. And she’s wants to turn it down because she wants to train.
And you know how this, so that’s how much she loved training and that’s how much she loved the atmosphere. That’s how much she loved the culture of the gym. ’cause we have a culture, hard working culture. There’s no, there’s, this is not a club met train guys like Joe Ward, pk. So she was right there training alongside pk, doing spritz alongside pk.
It doesn’t matter for me. It doesn’t matter what caliber you
Mike Rapson: are. Fucking Joel Ward’s my hero. That’s my I’m a Caps fan. Bro, when he scored that goal Yeah! He scored the tying goal in the Stanley Cup winning game. Fuck yeah. Joe Wood. I love that guy. Yeah. He’s the most humblest guy, man. Player teams love that guy.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: He’s a coach now at Las
Mike Rapson: Vegas, and I just thought he really, yeah. Yeah. He’s coaching. Yeah. Yeah, man. He’s coaching super popular amongst his teammates, again from, he’s from Star, right?
Clance Laylor: Yeah. Oh, real good guy. Kevin Weeks. So Joe Wood, Kevin Weeks. Yeah. Joel Ward is probably one of my favorite, most favorite human beings down on earth.
Humble, quiet. He’s the type of guy, man, I’ll just he sees somebody in need and he’ll just like glance, give this to.
Mike Rapson: Come on. So he
Clance Laylor: would just, he would see someone needs help. He’d cover it. He’d just cover it. And no one knew. And no one knew. I love guys
Mike Rapson: like that.
Clance Laylor: No one who is
Mike Rapson: coming from him.
That’s fucking beautiful, man. That’s so cool. Fuck, I will never forget that goal. I was pacing
Clance Laylor: around the house. He’s a good man. He’s just down to earth, man. Loves kids. So he’s going to be a good coach. That’s awesome. He’s a student of the game. And he would help other hockey players. He’s a very cerebral athlete.
I don’t know how he finds the net, man. He just finds that net.
Mike Rapson: Yeah. Fucking works is awesome. Yeah. Fuck. Trying to think here. What I missed. Holy fuck, buddy. We’re an hour and 50 minutes. Hour and 50? Hour and 50. Shit. Yeah, it’s good. Fuck. Where’s the one I thought, I fucking sent you a message about it.
Clance Laylor: You’re asking me about, I think school, the kid. Oh, yeah. What was the difference? Maybe we covered it. There was a difference between athletes now, no? You did, actually. Yeah,
Mike Rapson: no. No, you actually mentioned. That at your kid’s school, there’s only one day a week of gym. Not only I spoke about hating reading when I was younger and You know my kid there was a day a few weeks ago when it snowed and it was like minus 10 million And they didn’t have recess for two days in a row.
Yeah. Shocker The boy gets in trouble two days in a row for fucking around with his buddies. Hands on, right? You get a picture getting a phone call from the principal. They touched each other because they were wrestling and I’m like, I don’t care. Jen takes the call, thank God, because I’m like, I don’t give a fuck.
But, without, I I tell Jen, I think phys ed should be Hold
Clance Laylor: on, sorry. Okay, this is new to me. Explain hands on. You can’t
Mike Rapson: wrestle. You can’t do fun shit. No, it’s fucking I’m going to be polite instead of using slurs, but it, no, it’s fucked man. Yeah. Oh yeah, I know. I, again, I’m not, I’m very anti the system, the way the system, the school system is.
It’s very heavily liberal the wrong way. It’s not like you said, like I think you should be having gym every single day, if not half the day. And then the rest of it’s meat and potatoes of learning, math, English, reading, just being around your classmates, learning how to. If you don’t like somebody, get over it.
Figure out how to fucking socialize and shit. But when you told me one day a week of phys ed, one day a week, I would’ve left school. I would’ve failed out and left. I would’ve just quit schooling one, one day. I would’ve been a criminal a hundred percent without sports
Clance Laylor: one day. Oh, I’m with you like I am.
Isn’t the, doesn’t the research state clearly that physical activity facilitates discipline. And focus in the school. Yeah. So I don’t understand like. , how did we get this far with one day a week? Why are we getting this far? Why are we taken out away? Back in the day we used to have these the physical tests.
The, you had the beep test, be test. Or you had the, we had these different strength tests. I remember the whole school getting excited about it and competing, yeah. The boys were battle, were boys. Show off to the girls. Yeah. Yeah. We like, I pride myself in trying to win that every year or, whatever.
Or take whoever down, so like what’s going it’s so bad. I, and I, there’s this a teacher told me that I trained a teacher at a certain school.
They have one gym class a week. That one gym class a week, this student would disappear for that gym class. But guess what? The parent would pick up the student so the student would not go to gym. Why? That is crazy. It’s criminal. It is! One day we could There’s nothing physically wrong with the person, it’s just that she doesn’t like gym.
So therefore she doesn’t like gym. The parent is upholding. The parent leaves her home to pick her up. So that she can miss gym class. So pick her up and bring her back to school. For the rest of the day.
Mike Rapson: Fuck.
Clance Laylor: Wow.
Mike Rapson: Imagine trying to have that kid as your employee fucking 20 years later. Thank you. Bro. Thank you.
That’s, yeah.
Clance Laylor: Think about that. That’s mind
Mike Rapson: blowing.
Clance Laylor: That’s aiding and abetting. Failure. Yeah.
Mike Rapson: You’re set up for absolute and utter failure. I think phys I think physical activity and sports, if you take a rate to policing, firefighting, I wasn’t in the military, but I know guys that were in the military, anybody that played a high level team sport are the best fucking cops, the best firemen, the best military for sure without even fucking been in.
The best. And even the private sector. I fucking guarantee it.
Clance Laylor: Yeah, and if some of the best, like some of the top CEOs, top executives in certain, they’re the best. Yeah. Yeah, they’re disciplined, hardworking, they’re jacked, they have a presence, they have a confidence
Mike Rapson: yeah, no, it’s, I couldn’t believe one day, what is it, what what the fuck is this, one day a week, is this York Region?
No, bro, I won’t say it, yeah, don’t say it, don’t say it, one day a week,
Clance Laylor: bro, that’s all you gotta do, one day a week, that is criminal, how, like, How, like, how does a, sorry, I don’t mean to be stupid, but how does a school boy, like what are you doing? What are you thinking? What are you doing to our children?
And it’s not, this is a, yeah it’s a, it’s not a public, it’s a public school, so it’s not grade, so I think grade 6, goes up to grade 6 or 7. One day a week gym.
Mike Rapson: That’s fucked. It’s almost like prison for boys like me or kids should just say boys, even whatever kids like I was or kids that are just You’re not gonna be a banker, right?
You can see kids I can already tell Blake’s gonna do something with his hands if he’s not an athlete He’ll be a fucking plumber or he’ll be whatever he wants to be But I can tell that the days where there’s no fucking recess because of the cold. He’s in trouble because he’s farting around with his buddies, they’re sneaking out of class, they’re taking 30 minute bathroom breaks, playing peg in the school.
I think it’s fucking hilarious. But, of course, they’re fucking, they’re not letting out all their energy.
Clance Laylor: They gotta let it out. Holy fuck. It’s funny, I heard the same teacher, she did give me all kinds of jokes. This different kid, like it was cold, he wants to go outside. He goes why are we inside?
And he went to the, he went to the office to challenge the principal. So anyway, I said, yeah, good for him. Yeah. Like I want to go outside. Like it’s not that cold. I’m like, I can, I want to go outside and play. Why does everybody have to be inside? We can’t take it. This is Canada. It’s not that, it wasn’t that cold.
Yeah. Snow
Mike Rapson: suits for you. Yeah. Took some shit. Exactly.
Clance Laylor: Yeah. No, the whole school, you can’t go outside, blah, blah, blah. It’s the kid gloves, the babying, the It’s
Mike Rapson: I feel it’s systematic. Yeah, it’s like a one size fits all. You shall be, you shall go to school this way. Where I’m guessing you get an athlete.
You might have ten different athletes, you have ten different programs. It’s not just fucking Clance is doing one program for ten different kids. Correct. My kid goes to school, he loves certain things. My daughter goes to school, she likes other things. They come home, they want to do different shit and they’re different kids.
So
Clance Laylor: okay, what kind of, we’re talking about boys now. What kind of boy like, I’m trying to figure out the right way to say it. Like, how are we going to, man, life is like. Who our daughter’s gonna marry?
And then what kind of men are who’s protecting who
Mike Rapson: exactly
Clance Laylor: and then And okay, who’s defending this country? Yeah.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, I know Scary shit, eh,
Clance Laylor: it’s like we really look at it deeply man
Mike Rapson: Yeah, no, it’s a huge problem we want to go too deep into that shit because it’s just like a whole other hour, but The quality of people doing those jobs, like you said, who’s going to protect the country, a lot of the Masculinity has been beaten out of boys, right?
They make, they tell you that fucking Being super masculine is bad.
Clance Laylor: Yeah,
Mike Rapson: you almost have to unschool your kids when they get home, which we do all the time but it’s You know Being that alpha dog Is a great thing Being a piece of shit man who’s violent In the wrong situation. Bad. I want my kid to be a fucking warrior.
I want her husband, Riley’s, to be a fucking warrior. Fact. But you better fucking be a fucking good man. Yes. But I think man, the boys coming up I’m very concerned about. And my boy getting in trouble for shit all the time, jen and I, we don’t battle, right? We agree on almost all this shit, but You get a phone call from the school and you’re like, I don’t give a fuck, don’t call me.
Oh, your kid bumped his leg or bumped his shoulder or whatever. I don’t care. Why are you calling me? The fuck? I’ll
Clance Laylor: tell you, I had a proud daddy moment. So my son is a little, he’s a little, he’s small, he’s tiny compared to all the bigger kids. But they call him Baby Tyson, I wonder why, right? He hits the bag everyday, right?
Everyday they hit the bag, both boy and daughter. Actually, my girl, she can thump. She can really thump. Enhance. I used to box when I was a kid. So you know she has that, right? And then But anyway My boy hit this other kid. The reason he hit the kid was because The kid was bullying his friend and he stood up for his friend.
Yeah, man. But I couldn’t say that to the principal. Because then they’re going to say, oh, you’re teaching your child to, right? So I teach my kids point blank. If someone hits you, all bets are off and your daddy’s going to be at school. Don’t worry about that. If someone lays their hand, never ever, you hit, cause don’t touch anybody.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: But if somebody touches you. Game on. Game on.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: That’s all I’m saying. But do not never, don’t come home and I hear you being a bully, and don’t be bullying, cause I hate bullies, cause I was a bully. So you know, don’t be bullying nobody, don’t be preying on, you protect the weak.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: 100%.
And so that’s why I felt proud of my son because he’s. Turn it protecting the weak. Yeah, the boy was bullying his friend, right? Not really. He’s close to everybody He just felt yeah, and I like that.
Mike Rapson: Yeah
Clance Laylor: You’re not supposed to be proud of that
Mike Rapson: 100
Clance Laylor: and then the school’s trying to beat that out of him
Mike Rapson: Nah, bro.
Yeah, it’s strange. Nah, they’re governed weird. No, it’s I said on a probably a couple podcasts. They banned handstands This
is are you serious? Yeah when
Mike Rapson: riley was She’s graduated out of the fucking the jail yard for the kindergarten kids where of course they, you have that so they don’t run away, but she’s in grade one I think.
Yeah, came home, she’s yeah, handstands have been banned. I’m like, what the fuck? And I’m like, right? This is where we learn some rules are stupid. If you want to do fucking handstands kid, do fucking handstands, if some fucking out of shape fat kid fell on their head I don’t give a fuck that ain’t my kid.
I don’t even know what the reason was, but I’m assuming
yeah
Mike Rapson: No handstands someone fell on their head. Right do fucking handstands if someone calls all don’t worry I got you go do fucking handstands. Like you said don’t be a bully, but if you want to do Kids shit and athletic shit, go do it. Go do it.
But yeah, no, they’re getting in trouble for fucking touching each other, hands on. We don’t go hands on. How the fuck are you supposed to play tag? How are you supposed to play football? How are you supposed to fucking play, remember we used to play running bases? Yeah, Dodgeball! All this shit, red ass.
Yeah. All these fucking
Clance Laylor: Dodgeball is my favorite. They don’t even have, they’re not even allowed to have snowball fights. In school as fuck. I, it’s crazy why he go, I go, he got in trouble for throwing a snowball. You’re not like, like what
Mike Rapson: Fuck. Clance. What the fuck would you say? Here it is. Here’s the last thing for you.
When I, so I finished playing Junior. I started playing senior A hockey, which is washed up pros and college guys and junior guys in Whitby, and I actually enjoyed. Playing hockey then more than I did as a kid, but that was more perspective Like I’m like, you’re basically done. You’re not going anywhere with it but if you could speak to a kid who’s whatever 15 20, you can still make it and You’re listening to this and maybe this is to your own kid or to yourself how can you have someone realize that perspective or realize that This isn’t going to end or this isn’t going to last forever, right?
You only have one shot at this life, right? I regret not enjoying junior hockey as much as I should have. I enjoyed it more when it was pointless. It was more for fun. I was on beers on the bus. They give us pizza. It was free hockey. It was like finishing the itch of playing hockey. But when I could have made it, I didn’t love it or try as hard as I should have.
And I didn’t appreciate it. I should have, but I didn’t. How do you talk to someone that’s battling that, they don’t realize what gift they may have?
Clance Laylor: I think they have to look into the future, right? So say they’re, when you’re 30 years old or whatever that motivation is, like, where do you want to be when you’re 30 years old?
What’s your pot? So if you have a chance to make it to the pros, that’s, you’re pretty much be financially so some people are motivated by financial motivation. Some people are athletes are motivated by they just the love of the game. Some athletes are motivated by they’re just a daily grind.
The things I have to do, and those are the rare breeds, the grinders. But a kid who has a shot at it, I think it’s a shame. That they throw that away, that talent, they, what you want to do, I always say to my athletes, all said and done, do you want to look in the mirror and say to yourself that you didn’t do everything in your power, the eating, proper nutrition, The sleeping, the training, the skill work, the ice work, the film study.
You want to make sure you do everything in your power. You gave it your all to make it. And I always say that. Remember that. Because one day, you’re going to look in the mirror and you’re going to say, fuck man, I didn’t give it my shot. I didn’t give it everything I had. And I think that’s going to And I think Once they look at it from that perspective, and they realize that emotion and fast forward 30 years from now, because when their kids are 16, 30 is a big deal for them.
Yeah. And they’re like,
Clance Laylor: fuck.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: It’s a shock, like, you might be fucking doing, being an insurance salesman, or I’ve seen occupiers who blew their shit because they’re partying, rolling with the, wrong crowd. They’re making it before they make it. Or they think they’re gonna make it and it’s just like that next minute.
They’re selling fucking insurance. Yeah, I can give you names
fuck
Clance Laylor: so
It’s not easy, but you gotta really Look in the mirror and you know what? Have that right mentor find a mentor find somebody you look up to find somebody you respect That’s huge and help them mentor you on the way Like, doing the right things. It’s sacrifice, man. You gotta, if anything in life you want, bro, you gotta sacrifice for it.
There’s no such thing as part time days. Charlie Francis said that to me, and I never forgot it. He said, part time athlete, part time results. My daughter says she’s ready to, when we’re on that plane, coming back from Russia, and she said, Daddy, I want this. Full time. It was school and training. I even brought a squat.
I brought, I got her to a sports school and I brought, and I bought a squat rack so she could squat at lunch and I got her a shirt that says, and people ask her they come into the gym and she don’t know fuck all about bodybuilding, right? So she would just squat at lunch, five days a week, she’s squatting, right?
And then she’s squatting when she comes to the gym. So she’s what? 16, 17 years old. And she’d go and daddy, everybody’s asking me how much do I bench? And she’d go, and she’d look at him, she’d go. I don’t squat, I bench. I don’t bench, I squat. I don’t bench, I squat. So I was like, oh, that’s a good shirt.
So I got a t shirt. I don’t bench, I squat. That’s awesome. I just, I never forgot that. That’s a lot of memories, man. So it was like, I was that dad cause I knew the sacrifice. And guess what? Those extra five sessions of squat, of squats, got her to, of her first world championship. Cause I remember I told you I was the guy, Ben, I know how to get my athletes strong and everybody’s watching her just take off.
She, a lot of athletes who are ahead of her, started way before she started late, like at 16, right? Some athletes been in training since she was like 10 years old. And she eventually, the girl that beat her in Canada for the, was way ahead of her. She ended up catching her and blowing right past her.
You know what I mean? Are you willing to do the work and then those are the things I always I look at my, say to my athletes and you got to point to your athletes, I got, and that’s a, as a strength coach, that is a trick, that’s what makes us different at LPS we have to point to our athletes and it’s not just physical, it’s not just lifting weights, it’s not just that program, as you said, anybody can ride a train program, you could lead the horse to the water, but can you make them drink?
And you gotta let them know, understand how important it is to drink that water. You gotta let them know how important it is not to skip that set, that rep. You gotta let them know how important it is to train with proper technique. You gotta let them know how important it is to get that sleep. How important it is to get that proper nutrition.
That all takes communication, right? And then results that back it up. Cause talking about a lot of gimmicks, a lot of people like to, while he’s gimmicky, so you’ve got to, for parents, they got to check the background. We’re like, Oh, I trained pros.
Okay. Really? And when did you start training them when they were pro
Mike Rapson: already? Yes. Yeah. PK walks into my gym and then my gym coach can be like, Oh, we trained PK. Real talk! Bro! That’s what exactly happened. Yeah,
Clance Laylor: this PK wants what, this guy, I think he trained PK for part of a summer or something.
The guy has PK jersey and this that’s like some fake Valor
Mike Rapson: bullshit.
Clance Laylor: Oh, I don’t know what that’s, what the fuck is that?
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: No pride. Like, how could you like, that’s, those are charlatans salesmen. They don’t, that’s bullshit. Like how I will never ever claim any athlete that we have never, or I have never.
Developed or made a change. Joe Ward, facts. He came to me, he was on his way out. Went with me. Extra three years, extra six million. Period. Yeah. Yeah, I’m proud of that. And he could call me and let me know, yo, yeah, that’s right. And he’ll tell you, if you want to get strong, you go find Clancy Leland. You go to LPS if you want to get strong.
Period. You know what I mean? That’s pride. I trained Josie Altidore. At that, honestly, it was last season. And we talked to this day. Good guy. He was on his way out. Had all kinds of issues, but if I had gotten earlier or out, he would have been still playing soccer right now, right? Guy’s a monster, but I don’t have his jersey on my wall.
He trained in my gym.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: But I don’t claim that. You know what I mean?
Mike Rapson: Yeah. There’s a lack of integrity. Integrity, man. That irks me. It’s like fake Google reviews. It’s a fake coach. If people have to try to attach themselves to shit that they didn’t, or even a part of, it’s pathetic.
It’s
Clance Laylor: rapid. And that’s why I wrote this book, because the parents I feel it for parents. You’re, at least you are ahead of the game. And the most ath, the most of the athletes I have are, is because of their parents, who are usually some type of high level parents who can sniff through the bullshit.
PK’s mom could sniff through the bullshit. Denzel Clark’s mom could sniff through the bullshit. She was an ex, ex Olympian. So most of the athletes that I’ve come, they usually can, not most parents, they don’t know fuck all about sports. They never played a sport in their life. They just know their kid’s going to this.
Like this gym and, oh, they want to train here with their buddies. Most of the parents that they say, fuck you, you ain’t trained to the but if you want, if you’re serious about getting to the pros, you gotta go train here. And then eventually they’ll like it. They’ll understand. It’s not about what you like.
And that’s another thing about kids like, you have to, you want to get your kids to like something, but you gotta teach them discipline. Once they learn discipline and they learn pride, That you’re going to find that they’re going to, they’re going to enjoy the hard work after a while. You know why?
Because they become, they start winning. Yeah. They start they are better. They can compete. They’re not getting an ass kick. Either they’re winning or they’re standing with that thing. And that makes a difference. And they’re going to know, okay, training at this gym helps me to compete or win.
What do you think they’re going to do?
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: Results. It’s at the end of the day, it’s all about results.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: I don’t give a fuck if little Johnny doesn’t like, coming to the gym. Real talk, a lot of parents tell me, yo, my kid likes coming. I don’t give a fuck. I really don’t care, bro. I don’t really care if they like.
They’re going to like me. I’m a likable guy. But I’m tough. I’m hard working. And they’re going to eventually like that. Yeah.
Mike Rapson: But
Clance Laylor: I want your kid to win.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, man.
Clance Laylor: I want them to dominate, and I want them to do the best they can, the best they can be. Like, I’ve had some kids that treat me like real nerdy kids.
Sit out in the corner because based on my rule if the kid’s not If he ain’t doing nothing for the summer. Cause for me, it’s I’m old school. If you’re in, then you’re in. I don’t be counting pennies. Or if you have two sessions, you gotta train. Like bro, you’re already paying good money for one session.
If he’s not going to school, if he’s not working, train, get better. And I watched this nerdy kid, in the corner, on the brakes, reading his fucking book, all of a sudden. But you know that kid became a monster in the next two, three years. Different type of child. Oh, that just made me proud. Big, strong. Now he’s he didn’t go to, he did play a little hockey, he did this, but he’s a big time executive with confidence.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: It’d be a, it’s, I never ever just throw in the towel on somebody just because they don’t, they don’t show you that that gift right away.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: That gift could be expressed if it’s pulled out and if it’s given the right nurturing. Some athletes that they’re wondering like, what?
And they’re also like, where’d this kid come from?
Mike Rapson: Nurturing. LPS. That’s what they gave. What does LPS stand for? Leadership,
Clance Laylor: performance, and savage. Savage. So yeah man, we’re creating leaders. We’re a huge job. Performance is the way of life, man. Get used to it. You gotta compete or go home. And you gotta be savage, man.
You gotta stand for something. Believe in something. Stand up for yourself. You gotta be, you gotta be, you gotta be focused, you gotta be shrewd. Love people, but they, you gotta job to do, you gotta get the job done. And you gotta say what it is. And a lot of people um, they try to sugarcoat everything and blah, blah, blah, try to make everybody feel good.
So I try to, you gotta be savage. You gotta be like my sister. That’s so fast. It fucking sounds like there’s a huge correlation with success from LPS. Whether you’re fucking PK or playing pro, your daughter, or just fucking being a savage executive. Walking into rooms with fucking quads that can squat 500 pounds.
Mike Rapson: There you go, baby. You look good in a suit or whatever you’re fucking, whatever your job is. I love how you said it’s the presence, like I remember back in Pickering when I worked out at a gym and you’d see certain coaches Hate to harp on them. But if there’s someone was super out of shape with titties and it wasn’t a girl, right?
I’m like, what the fuck would I hire you to coach me? Do you’re out of shape? How can I yeah, obviously Would you say actually you think most strength coaches? should Be in good shape or are there some who are like anomalies where you’d be like, holy fuck I can’t believe that guy’s such an incredible coach.
They’re so out of shape looking or I Don’t know.
Clance Laylor: Okay should and are like so you have coaches that are incredible coaches because I know they’re incredible coaches because They’re just incredible coaches. Yeah but Like right now my mentor like all it knows is weightlifting So I’m teaching him like, bro, you got to lift weights and have a better quality of life.
And he’s older now, right? You know what I mean? So I do believe all coaches should be in shape because at the end of the day I know I, my athletes feel proud or they, when they see me step into a competition with them or. That I’m representing because my coach is strong, he’s smart, and he looks the part.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, look at him.
Clance Laylor: You know what I mean? I bet
Mike Rapson: you other athletes get intimidated.
Clance Laylor: Oh, fuck yeah, bro!
Mike Rapson: Your daughter’s jacked as fuck. You’re there jacked as fuck. And then you get someone from whatever country and their coach might be out of shape. I guarantee you, you’re winning the fucking alpha dog mindset.
Let me tell you something,
Clance Laylor: man. But I tell my athletes this. When me and my daughter Walk into a room bro or a competition. Yeah, there’s fear. I want that. I, yeah I feed off of that. I want you to be a scared, afraid. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I tell her that because that’s all part of the comp.
That’s all part of the game. And she’s super quiet. So which makes it even better.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: But she doesn’t talk. She’s the type of person pre athletes who try to talk to her, she look at them and say, I’m training. I go right with the training. After training that’s how I coach.
She’s a savage.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: But, I conditioned she is the way that, but I, it’s all I’m annoying, right? Like I’m annoying. Like I’ll lock on some, I remember the word is adapt or die. It was every day I was like adapt or die. And so that’s why we have a lot of words on the wall. They’re all like pressure creates diamonds or all these things is because I’m those things are motivational and they’re right.
And it’s all about hard work and I believe in the cycle of psychology. It’s important. It’s not just physical, it’s mental and it’s a certain psychology. And then Mike, I don’t like my athletes, laughing with everybody else. That’s just my I don’t like them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Some are like that.
Mike Rapson: It’s not a social club. It’s
Clance Laylor: not a social club, bro. We’re going to compete.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And a lot of times when we hear them compete, they’re, people are feeling you out. That’s what they’re doing. They don’t understand that at the time until, they wanna know how what kind of shape are you in, how much you’re gonna lift today, how was your training, fuck all that.
You’ll see that on the platform. Or on the mat, or whatever. So though, I try to develop them in that type of warrior mode. It’s not for everybody. Clans that’s a little too intense. I’m fucking intense. It’s war. It’s war. Yeah.
Mike Rapson: In a way, it’s war. Yeah,
Clance Laylor: it
Mike Rapson: is. Honestly, if you have that mentality. It is. Right?
Clance Laylor: And that’s why a lot of coaches, like the most serious coaches I’ve met, that’s how they think, it’s war. They’re not going to be sitting there telling you their fucking secrets. Yeah. Or telling you, no, it’s war. You got to get them, probably get some, get, pop, get a few ones down before they start loosening up and talking to you at the, world championships and stuff like that.
But that’s how they take it.
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: it’s serious. And this is serious business. And that’s how I like my athletes to take it as serious business and it’s just focus and I also, it’s all about focus. Like right now we’re so distracted by social media, subtracted by phones, just so much distraction that I, that we don’t have any phones on the gym floor.
And it’s, and because you have to teach them focus, sitting there just focus and not, it’s a huge deal about self awareness, breathing, understanding, meditating. So it’s way more than just lifting some weights. You’re training them so when they’re more focused and they’re more in tune with themselves, they can perform, baseball, whatever.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: So I don’t want to get it, but you understand what say it’s time to compete, man. Yo, bro, shut the fuck up, stop talking to me right now. You know what I mean?
Mike Rapson: I haven’t been in a regular gym, and when I say regular, like your good life or whatever, L. A. fitness. Have you seen or heard, I’ve never seen it, thank God, because I’d fucking, I’d just leave.
But people are setting up tripods of fucking cameras and shit, apparently all over these gyms.
Clance Laylor: I haven’t been in a regular gym for me either with the mirrors
Mike Rapson: and shit. Fucking, I don’t
Clance Laylor: think I’ve been in a regular gym for I think maybe seven years now, man. Yeah.
Mike Rapson: A lot of phone cameras. I went to a regular
Clance Laylor: gym and if I go early anyway.
Mike Rapson: Yeah.
Clance Laylor: So I haven’t heard. I, I. I’m not even on IG personally.
Okay, but
Clance Laylor: I know I’m it must be crazy because everybody’s Everyone’s a fitness enthusiast now or whatever you call it.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, I’m on social media too much just with our businesses and everything, but you’re right, man. If I go to the gym, I don’t touch my fucking phone.
Yeah. I don’t, because if I do, I’ll see someone called and then I’m like, oh fuck, I gotta call a client or whatever. It’s humiliation. Your focus is gone.
Clance Laylor: Your focus is gone. And I think, and I try to, and I tell my children that like, um, if you train your focus, You’re once, the way things are going, you’re going to be headed a game.
Yes. So I purposely get them to train their focus. Yeah, it’s very hard, getting away from these iPads and this and they’re on it all the time It’s that it’s such a way in their school. They’re sending home schoolwork like just the other day, whatever Google Classroom wasn’t working.
So he wasn’t doing I say yo, I called it I said send up send the paperwork send a hard copy. Don’t worry like I mean It’s not working. Send a hard copy. Yeah. Yeah
Like so it’s a, it really bothers me. If I see my kids on it, I understand, but it really worries me. And it’s plus you got these parrot predators on that stuff all the time. So you gotta be careful, right? So it’s scary, man. So I’m literally I am literally, sorry, literally terrified of that, because God knows, you, you don’t want to mess with my children, you just don’t want to do that.
So I, I’m afraid of that. Yeah. Ditto. Yeah. Ditto, man. Yeah, so I, yeah.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, I know. Fuck, buddy. Thank you. Honestly, this was some of the most fun I’ve had on here. It’s fucking, it’s different, it’s good. Not to talk about the world and shit and fucking booing the American National Anthem and shit like that. Big game tonight.
Woah, I can’t, yo. Big game. Get your popcorn ready. Big game tonight.
Clance Laylor: Get your popcorn ready. I can’t wait. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I didn’t even watch the first game. I don’t know what I was thinking. No, man. I was like, like I wasn’t, I don’t know, but let’s believe I’m not watching. I’m not missing this game. I just was all over the first night.
Yeah. Yeah. I saw all the highlights. I walk. Yeah. I love it. Oh yeah.
Mike Rapson: I can’t wait.
Clance Laylor: Yeah. This is good. This is real good.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, buddy. So you’re not on social media much like where can people, how can people support you? Unless you’re assigned. So my sorry. . Yeah. I like my business is on
Clance Laylor: social media.
Me personally. Okay. So LPs Athletic is on, so P Okay. It’s definitely on social media. Okay. We, IG LPs Athletic or you can go to website LPs athletic.com. Excuse me. Or you can, um. Those are the biggest two. So IG and and our website, LPSFA. I think we do, we put some stuff on YouTube as well.
Yeah. And Dominate’s on Amazon. Yeah.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, man, that’s awesome. Dominate, they can’t ignore you. Fucking man. So for a lot
Clance Laylor: of those frustrated parents out there that, that book was Yeah, I’m really happy that we wrote that book to get some clarity and give some parents some direction.
A lot of parents really, they were like, whoa.
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: open their eyes and they’re really happy because it’s tough for a parent, you have athletic background so you can Sniff through the bullshit, but a lot of these parents who don’t really have a lot of athletic background It’s harder for them, even if you have a athletic background, it’s still hard But oh, it’s extremely hard for them the parents and I felt their frustration.
That’s why I wrote that book
Mike Rapson: Yeah, no, that’s good. I got lucky My dad didn’t play hockey. My mom didn’t like they didn’t know much at all. I just got lucky. I fucking worked hard I loved hockey and all of a sudden I was playing junior and my dad asked Like when do I write a check? I’m like, no, that’s free.
It’s like free. What the fuck? What is this junior you’re talking about? There’s no pressure, right? But yeah, no parents if you’re I guess it’s a double edged sword with some parents who Wanted to make it so bad and now they’re fucking yelling at their kids from the stands and I’m like, holy fucking, shut the fuck up, man.
Lay off your fucking, that’s not the way, right? It sounds like you have the way though, right? Yeah
Clance Laylor: I’m intense, but I don’t There’s a way about doing it though. Yeah, I don’t For me, it’s just the work.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And I’m, and I’m happy. It’s just, as long as you’re working If you’re not winning, sure.
But as long as you’re working, if you’re not doing it, if you’re not, if you don’t have a good performance, but I know you’ve been working, that’s it. I just praise the work. I’m pretty, I think that helps grow me. Of course I want my kid to win and, but as long as you’re putting the work, that’s what dry, if you don’t, if you don’t.
Punch the clock. That’s what drives me crazy, and I think that’s just the foundation from my dad Yeah, that’s just it and so put in to put in the time and whatever happens and Usually if you put in a time good things happen fucking it does yeah
Mike Rapson: Amen, no, thanks, brother Yeah, check it out Dominique.
They can’t ignore you get that book on Amazon Support Clance. Thanks Kayla again for setting this up You’re right. Yeah, man. This is good, man. Oh, shit.
Clance Laylor: We started at what? We started at three o’clock, bro. Two and a
Mike Rapson: half hours. Shit.
Clance Laylor: Time flew, bro.
Mike Rapson: Yeah, man. Fuck. And if if this doesn’t get you motivated, to gym and squat, with your knees over your feet.
Legs feed the wolf, baby. That’s fucking great. What a great point. Legs feed the wolf. I love it.
Clance Laylor: Before that, you know how that came out? Hockey. We had a hockey I train a lot of hockey guys. So we have a strongman, real quick. We do a strongman, so you’re walking with heavy farmer’s walks, and then you’re doing sled pulls.
So we do about 60 meters, therefore. So 60 there, 60 back, 120. So the hockey guys are going at it hard. Just, and if, so I’m killing, I’m applying the pressure, putting on more weight, and they’re like, Because you’re building up a lactic acid, right? So you get to fight through the lactic acid. Get to, to build that endurance, right?
Strength endurance. And, They’re just crying and all of a sudden they just start going, I think it was Mark Freedman, right? He plays for Vancouver. Legs feed the wolf. And then they, everybody just it was like a mantra. Legs feed the wolf. Legs feed the wolf. Legs feed the wolf. It was like, I’m like, holy shit.
So that stuck and they just started running with it. That’s sick. But yeah, but I think that was from a hockey game. I think Mirkova on ice or something when they were back skating.
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: but it was that. And that stuck with her gym because it only makes sense because we squat four days a week and we squat a lot and blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, that’s how it came out. The hockey guys did it.
Mike Rapson: You gotta squat, man. You gotta squat. I didn’t start squatting until I was like, fuck, man. Consistently. Probably 28 years old. Could have been so much stronger. Yeah. I hit 500 for the first time when I was maybe 37. What are your best
Clance Laylor: numbers?
505. 505. 6 45, 6 4 dead.
Mike Rapson: That’s a big dead lift. And then my bench I never hit 3 50, 3 45 pissed me off.
Clance Laylor: Oh, fuck. I’m a bencher.
Mike Rapson: Yeah,
Clance Laylor: I’m a bencher. I could bench. I could bench. Yeah. So I was like, I was always a
Mike Rapson: So what are your numbers now that we’re fucking
Clance Laylor: I never a power lift. No. But my best bench was 4 25.
I benched 4 25. I benched 4 25 when I was like, oh. 21 years old. Come on! Yeah, man.
Mike Rapson: Before you even have man strength.
Clance Laylor: Yeah, before I had man strength. Holy shit. I was a strong bencher. Herschel Walker. I did a thousand push ups a day, bro. Come on! Yeah, when I was a kid. I went to I went to a library I used to love.
I never, I liked to read stuff. I liked to read, but my mother was very strict on, Reading, right? Okay. We weren’t allowed to watch all TV. We had to read all the time or shit. So yeah, that’s why I fell in love. So I said, okay, if I want to read, I’m gonna read shit I like to read. So I used to go to Georgia Bulldogs, Sports Illustrated, read it there.
He did thousand push ups a day. I started to do a thousand push ups a day. Then I went up to a two thousand push ups a day. So by the time I got, so yeah, so I was a strong kid. Fuck. So I used to do, I used to knock out 10 sets of 100 in the morning and 10 in the evening.
Mike Rapson: You would do 100 unbroken?
Clance Laylor: Unbroken.
Mike Rapson: Times 10?
Clance Laylor: Times 10. That
Mike Rapson: is fucking insane.
Clance Laylor: German volume training before I even knew German product training. But, I’m a kid that’s wired like. I’m extreme. I’m like, fuck Hershel Walker, if he can do it, cause I want to be a pro. Now you get why it was so hard on me when I got injured, cause there was no backup plan.
It was like pro, Olympics were a bust. And after putting all that hard work and all those pushups and all that training and all that extra everyday taking a bus. To the track and then now i’m hurting i can’t fucking yeah But the next best thing and that’s why i’m so hard on my athletes. That’s why I point to them so much because I think I lived through them
Yeah,
Clance Laylor: like when pk when I was driving home and pk said class you won’t believe is I won a norris trophy like I felt like it was like olympic gold medal, bro
Mike Rapson: What’s the fucking biggest trophy for a defenseman, right?
Yeah, it’s
Clance Laylor: huge, so all those tears all those hard work all those like That’s a that’s a big deal. You know what I mean? So that, so a lot of my athletes, they feel that energy and I think that’s how I feel. My, I ain’t no fucking psychiatrist or anything, but you understand what I’m saying?
Yeah. I feel that, and, and me being proud of my daughter, like I never. She wants, that she wanted to do it, I didn’t force her, but it’s okay, if you, okay, if you want to do something. Let’s do it right. That’s it. That’s, I don’t care what you want to do.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: But, if you want to be a mathematician, we’re going to find the best mathematician and.
Yeah.
Clance Laylor: And help you to be the math, best math, win math contests. You know what I mean? Yeah. That’s just my, that’s just how I’m wired.
Mike Rapson: Yeah. No, fucking that’s awesome, buddy. Thanks, man. Fuckin love it.
Clance Laylor: I think I met a new friend. Yeah,
Mike Rapson: man. I’m gonna go look at your list of shit. You got it, bro. Fuckin I’m gonna show you my fuckin my lifting shoes when we get out.
You’re gonna laugh. You’ll love them, though. Yeah, I know. Thanks, everybody, for listening, man. This is, Get your fucking ass to the gym and start squatting some shit. That’s what’s up, baby. This
Clance Laylor: was fun, man. Thank you. Appreciate you, man. I really appreciate you. Man of principle. Stand up guy. Thank you very much.
Yeah, brother. Thanks, buddy.
Later, everybody. Love you.
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